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General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: December 22, 2012, 01:01:46 AM »
Quote from: skribblets
Quote from: Galemod on Today at 12:22:43 AMHey, can you download CSP EX as a free upgrade if you purchased a license for the regular CSP?

No, you can't. You do get a discount though. (roughly $60) off I believe. So it's about $200 US.
Damn.  $200 is a lot of dough just to get a few extra lines of code added to the package so I can toggle the lasso selection method on the fly.  As much as this is an important step forward, it's just not enough.  If Celsys updated their file format options I might consider re-buying, but as it stands. . , No deal.

Too bad.  CSP has a LOT of exceptionally awesome stuff to offer, but without being able to save files efficiently, it's more burden than use to me.

Looks like I'm sticking with PS and MangaLabo for the foreseeable future.

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: December 22, 2012, 12:22:43 AM »
Hey, can you download CSP EX as a free upgrade if you purchased a license for the regular CSP?


General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: December 21, 2012, 06:26:32 AM »
Three quick questions:

Can you save .tif files with layers intact?

Can you save .psd files with LZW compression active?

Can you toggle between lasso selection and polygonal selection on the fly?

I'm hoping these features have been added to the newer version.


General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 20, 2012, 12:09:11 AM »

It just did it again.   :(

I was drawing away, and. . . *Freeze*.  I just lost a nice panel with that kind of charismatic line work which is hard to replicate on a second try.  I'm going to screen grab the image and trace it into something more reliable.

I have a feeling it's my old OS which creates these hassles.  (I'm on WinXP which is the only OS which seems to get the highest performance out of my Tecra M4 Tablet PC.  Maybe Windows 8 is worth a try.)

Rats.  I really like so many aspects of CSP, but it looks like I'm going to have to go back to effing Photoshop to do my pencils, and Portal Graphics' MangaLabo for inks.

MangaLabo is small, ugly, and has only a tenth of the features CSP offers, but it's specifically geared to black & white comics and its brush engine is on par with CSP, for inks at least.  (It's lousy for pencils.)

Though it allows me to work on huge canvases at 8 and single bit depths, which means my old hardware and its 2Gb memory cap doesn't run into any walls, (as it did with Sai on a constant basis).  But the best thing?  It does the job at the quality level I need, at the speed I need, and it doesn't randomly crash while I'm drawing.  That makes it a pro-level tool despite its being an otherwise bucktoothed program.

I hope Celsys updates soon so I can give their software another go.  What a bummer!

The other option is to drop several thousand dollars I don't have on a big, new system with a grand Cintiq.  I really don't want to do that.  I much prefer the low profile and portability of the Tablet PC.  But today's crop of portable art gear, while they contain powerful engines, have these weenie little screens which make them basically toothless wonders for me.  My beloved Tecra M4 (circa 2005) has a high-density 14" screen which is a joy to work on.

Ah well.

PS and ML worked well enough.  Why fix what ain't broke?

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 19, 2012, 08:00:38 PM »

Cool.  Let us know how EX performs when you manage to wrangle a copy.

As it stands, I'm currently using a combo of Photoshop and CSP.  Photoshop has a stronger text function, (you can, for instance, reduce the leading between lines to however small you want it whereas CSP can only reduce the line space to a certain minimum amount, which for my needs remains too large for the comic font I use). Also, the selection/lasso function in PS is far more adaptive, making it fast and easy to drop in gray tones.  But CSP offers far superior drawing tools, and I love using it for basic drawing/inking where Photoshop is rather clumsy.  CSP can also rotate the canvas easily without the need for a high-end graphics card.  Photoshop won't let me rotate the canvas on my old Tablet PC!

So I do basic layouts in Photoshop and then export to CSP where I do all the drawing/inking.  I do frequent saves while working using CSP's native .lip format before at last exporting back to PS where I put in the gray tones and perform the final pre-press work.  (It's far better, I find, to put in gray tones with Photoshop, save as .tif or .pdf files and allow the print agency to interpret those grays at the highest level of DPI their machines can output, (usually around 2400 - 3600 dpi), rather than create them yourself as 300 - 600 dpi bitmap screen tones in the image itself; I can always spot a homemade job because the screen tones come out slightly jaggy rather than being made of perfectly round dots.)

Also, Photoshop has much stronger file format control; you can output all the major file types used by professional printing agencies with a high level of reliable space and speed efficiency.  PS offers the ability to tweak how a file is saved within a particular format, allowing you to toggle compression algorithms, etc., which I find essential.

Photoshop is also rock-solid.  I've not had a crash or freeze-up with that program in years, whereas CSP has left me stranded a couple of times with a frozen machine.  (I think it's a memory issue or perhaps a result of using my older hardware and OS.)  As well, Photoshop can zoom in and out much more quickly where CSP will hang for a second or two sometimes when navigating the canvas.

I think in time that CSP can benefit from future revisions; it's still a very young program which, while well-featured and enormously clever, doesn't have the level of refinement Adobe has been able to give their premier art program over the last twenty years of development.  Twenty years of tweaking makes a difference!

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 08, 2012, 09:43:47 PM »
Hi, Trev!

Thanks for the visual walk-through explanation.  CSP's awesome programmable tool set is a bit hard to grasp at first.

Though, I had actually explored this avenue before and wasn't able to get the specific function I was after; on-the-fly shifting of the lasso tool property.

That is, having the lasso tool shift back and forth between its regular free-hand-selection mode to that of point-to-point polygonal selection during the actual selection process.  The solution allowed by CSP's key modifiers seemed promising at first, but doesn't allow for this shifting of tool behavior mid-selection.  As it stands, you have to complete a selected area before you can switch tool behavior with the mod keys.

Photoshop allows you to start selecting a complex area, and then if you have to reposition your hand during the selection process, (or scratch your nose), you just hit and hold ALT to toggle to polygonal mode and now you can lift your pen without the selected area auto-closing.  You can then re-position your hand and continue drawing the selection area.  If you keep the ALT key pressed, you continue doing so with point-to-point selection or you can release the key and just continue selecting free hand.  This little finger-dance on the ALT key makes Photoshop very easy to use for complex area selection.

If CSP can replicate this, or offer something similar, I've not found it yet.

Maybe I'm missing something. . ?

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 05, 2012, 09:54:03 AM »
What do you know?

There WAS a new firmware update for my SSD.  I just finished installing it, and. . .

Well, not much has changed that I'm able to notice, (the firmware update is supposed to kill some bugs related to coming back from standby mode, which I have actually been using lately).

Aside from that, I think I might be getting a handle on CSP's odd personality.  There seems to be a lot of stuff going on under the hood wrt optimizing file saving routines when working in the .lip format.  I'm not altogether clear how all of that works, but swapping file names every now and then seems to have a semi-random positive effect.

In any case, I think I'm going to start saving my regular backups in that format while working on artwork and then make a final save in .tif format which auto-crunches everything down to a single layer where I need it at the end anyway.  For the screen tone work and final pre-press stuff, I think I'll probably use Photoshop where the selection tool is a great deal friendlier.  (You can switch back and forth between the regular lasso and polygonal selection on the fly using the ALT and CTRL keys in Photoshop).

It's not the most ideal arrangement, but I think the extra steps will be worth it in order to have access to CSP's awesome brush engine.

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 05, 2012, 08:42:20 AM »
CSP has an auto-backup feature, so that might be what's taking a long time.
Basically, if you overwrite an existing file, CSP will create a backup of it. So instead of writing 1x 300mb file, you're actually doing 2x 300mb!
On Windows, the location is "C:\My Documents\CELSYS\CLIPStudioPaintVer1_1_0\DocumentBackup\"

CSP also has a Scratch Disk feature like Photoshop which might slow things down if it's on a mechanical drive.

It might be worth experimenting with different save/swapfile locations.
I've set my Scratch Disk and "\My Documents\" to a 4x120GB SSD RAID0 array and my actual opening/saving of files goes to a 8x1TB RAID5 mechanical array. This way, when CSP is creating the backup or using the swap file, it won't slow down the save as they're both going to different locations.
Or maybe you could try to avoid overwriting existing files to bypass the auto-backup?

Okay, I did some tinkering, and learned the following:

When I take a big page (5200 x 7700) and make only a couple of small changes to it, adding only a few new brush strokes (raster, not vector), it saves very quickly using the native .lip format.  However, when I do extensive additional brush work on the same file, the save time is much greater.  Interesting.

However. . , I also tried saving the same file again (again without about the same number of new brush strokes added to it) under a different file name and presto.  The save time was dramatically shorter.

Then I repeated various versions of this experiment, and. . , the save times dropped even more regardless of the file name.

On my final attempt, again adding a lot of new information to the page, and the save time dropped again to around 4 seconds saving to the same file name..!  That's a huge speed increase for no apparent reason.

Something definitely weird is going on.  I'm beginning to wonder if my SSD or even the OS might not be the culprit in some manner.  I'm really quite confused now.

I'm going to see if there have been any recent firmware updates to my SSD.  I'll report back if I learn anything new.

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 04, 2012, 11:48:27 PM »
Damn.  I just did some more inking in CSP.  It's such a nice experience!  Having to grind through super-long load/save times is supremely frustrating.

I save my work every five minutes or so, alternating each save between one of two drives.  Long experience has taught me the wisdom of this practice and the pain of not following it, but having to sit through save times of up to thirty-five seconds in some cases for .psd layered versions, (just timed it) is crazy-annoying.  On my internal SSD I can get the same file to save in fifteen seconds, which is much better than my external spinner, but still not very good compared to Photoshop which can do the same thing in approximately five seconds. (Just timed that too).

Even CSPs native .lip format, while it has certain speed-up features, can still drag itself through the process taking up to 20 seconds to save a file.  On an SSD, no less.

Wait times may seem like a minor gripe, but honestly, it's like being flashed back to using the kind of ponderously slow hardware and resulting wait times we all had to grind our teeth through during the early 90's.

I think the way Photoshop did it was to develop really fast compression models to create small files which save fast.  CSP's compresson features are not robust, not particularly fast, and only accessible through the 'Export' command, (as far as I can make out.)

I wasn't aware they were planning to release a more pro-level version.  CSP EX sounds promising and I hope they put some focus on tightening up their basic file I/O, but it also sounds like having to re-purchase the whole suite again.

Ah well.  I guess that's just life and I'll get used to it.  It's good to have things to hope for in the future.

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: November 04, 2012, 09:20:31 PM »
Having used CSP for a couple of weeks now, I have a few things I'd like to see done differently.

It's a very nice piece of software, but it's file handling isn't as strong as Photoshop's.

1. CSP does not allow you to save or load .tif files with layers.  (It automatically merges all layers incoming and outgoing).

2. CSP doesn't allow the use of file compression (such as LZW compression) when using .tif or .psd files.  This results in huge, unwieldy files; 60Mb rather than 12 Mb for my projects, for instance.

3. Only the native file format, (.lip) allows for efficient file saving, (using both compression AND layers).  Being unable to use generic formats is VERY annoying.

It is safe to say that NO print agency in the West will know what to do with a .lip file, (the native CSP format), and this means Photoshop or other software is still necessary to prepare files for press.  Similarly, putting files together in book layout software like InDesign requires generic or other Adobe formats, and CSP has been, it seems, deliberately designed in such a way which makes this unnecessarily difficult.

I have found these limitations to actually be annoying enough that my use of CSP has fallen off and I'm returning to other, less graphically capable software which is nonetheless better at file handling.  The tool which is annoying to use doesn't get used.

CSP would definitely be improved if it allowed for the user to create generic file formats (without handicaps).

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: October 19, 2012, 03:02:26 AM »
Wow.  Not on my copy.  It didn't even have a lasso in the tool bar; I had to put it there myself.  I also had to build my own polygonal selection tool.

Maybe it was in an update or something.  I haven't downloaded all the various materials from Celsys yet; just got carried away with the main program.

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: October 19, 2012, 12:56:43 AM »
Just bought a license for Version 1.1.1 two days ago.

It took a while to get it going, but now that it's up and running, things are pretty cool!

Anyway, I just re-built the button bar I use for Photoshop and other programs when I'm working on a Tablet PC and I want to be in full screen mode and still have access to a few common tools.  I made it work with CSP.  It has things like quick brush selection, an undo button, screen rotation buttons in a bare minimum of tool bar real-estate.

You can download the button bar here:

Unzip it and use the .exe to launch.  There's a .txt file included in the zip which tells you what to set your keyboard shortcuts to in CSP to make it work with the button bar.  (P=Pencil, for instnace).  Several of the commands are already default settings in CSP, (Like ctrl Z for "undo"), so you don't have to touch those.  It's just the brushes, eraser, rotate and Lasso tools you need to sync up with.

Also, because CSP doesn't provide an easy Lasso tool natively, you have to build it yourself.  I created a how-to here:

Anyway, I find the bar super-useful, and I thought I'd share.  --And as always, a big thanks to the guys over at the Tablet PC forum for their efforts with the AutoHotKey programming.  This button bar was a collaborative effort.

Cheers, and thank-you for all your work on this software!

General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: October 02, 2012, 06:35:35 PM »
It usually takes a few days for them to make a translation. It works fine if you have 1.03 still but the current one it doesn't.

Good to know.  Thanks!

I actually did find a copy of 1.03 on the Celcys website, (thanks for the pointer, chamotea!).

I'm now taking the spare moments through my work day to test it out.

It's a fair bit more complicated than I'd anticipated, but good grief, the brush action, navigation and memory handling are simply stellar!

Does anybody know. . , if I buy a license for the current version, could I use it to activate 1.03?  I was *this* close to going for it, but held back.  Another day of research before paying can't hurt.  (Well, it actually does.  I want this software NOW!  I can't imagine what it must have been like for you guys.  Some of these posts are pretty old!)

The learning curve looks steep, (and that "English" manual is pretty dense from first glance.  Whatever translation engine was used turned the Lasso tool, into "Throw Rope Selection"  Ha ha!) and the translation doesn't reach into 100% of all the nooks and crannies of the software, (not complaining, mind you.  It's an awesome job for a bunch of illustrators for whom coding is probably a secondary concern.  Really fantastic!).  Anyway, I can see that there's no going back to the old days.


General / Re: CLIP STUDIO PAINT Translation
« on: October 01, 2012, 12:02:57 PM »
I just discovered this site.

CSP 1.1.0 has been released apparently just a few days ago, and appears to be the only version currently available in any form (that I've been able to find).

But it doesn't appear to work with the English translation efforts here.  Is there any way I can get on board with this awesome software and still be an English-only speaker?

If I could find a way to translate this software, I'd be more than happy to slap down the money for a license.


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