Paint Tool SAI in English

IllustStudio => General => Topic started by: Chulchinmae on August 20, 2009, 07:29:33 AM

Title: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Chulchinmae on August 20, 2009, 07:29:33 AM
-Repost from Deviantart, please don't mind the grammar and vocabulary mistakes, was written late at night.-

(Sounds like a sale's pitch, ahaha)

From the creators of Manga/Comic Studio and Retas!Pro we finally have an illustration and drawing program created by one of Japan's most renowned companies for designing niche products for cartooning, comic creation and animation. They take it to the next step with IllustStudio 1.0.6, combining mostly elements of Paint Tool Sai, meshing vector line manipulation with raster, overall illustration with some picture/image manipulation of some aspects of Photoshop and Illustrator, 3-D models, etc. However, it's limiting to those who know the full extent of Photoshop's power, because of what this is marketed toward.

It harbors in it's illustration manipulation, basically how to control the line and changing them to suit your needs almost flawlessly. Remember how you could control the thickness of a line by merely increasing the pressure on a certain point? What about how you wish that coloring in base hues for simple cartoons could be more efficient? And scaling images to your needs without loss of quality? Needed a template to trace on for practice? Need perspective lines and speed lines? How about the smooth blending from Paint Tool Sai? All this and hopefully more is included in this first release. To learn more, look at the videos provided in this link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.illuststudio.net/&ei=DZaESrz9GIitlAe-zsnABQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DIllust%2BStudio%26hl%3Den

There is definitely some cons, if you are looking for full PS power, but like I said, mainly a niche produce for cartooning/anime artwork, as most Japanese software is geared for. Also, a lot of shortcuts, but naturally you use what you want of it. The sheer power and what it can do is what makes this such a feature rich application, combining what many small scale programs like OpenCanvas, Paint Tool Sai, NekoPaint, and 4thPaint among others. I'm hoping in the next releases more complex brushes will be added, but I'm sure you can import your own and all.

To download the install you need to sign up onto that Clip program, however, from what I've heard it doesn't run on anything but Japanese operating systems. Do you think running AppLocale would be sufficient, changing the unicodes? Also, I get stuck during installation when it wants to make a path in the settings. If any of you can figure out it, please drop me a line.

Anyway, just trying to start spreading new software around. Hopefully it will be picked up by an English supplier like Manga Studio and Retas!Pro, so, for now, have a look see. c:
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: sgiff on August 26, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
This is really crazy awesome software.  I want it now, give it to me. :) Seriously this is the application that kicks PS butt, I hope it is as intuitive and simple to use as SAI, hey what the heck is up with these Japanese programers and companies that don't see the potential in a global market and invest all their time in developing for a tiny japanese market.  It really makes no sense to me.  I mean look at Opencanvas.  Stopped making an english version why?  Do they not want the sales.  I mean if the code is there it only takes a few seconds to output an english version once it's been translated.  And this program, Illust.  I am going to be pissed if someone here in the US doesn't pick it up soon and sell it.

s.g.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Limoli on August 26, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
I totaly agree with sgiff, it's crazy awesome! Brushes look nice but just wonder if they work good with more realistic style hmmm I'm waiting for translate ~! (probably lon long time waiting? :<)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on August 26, 2009, 12:36:34 PM
IT'S SOOOO COOL!!!
Thanks for giving us the info about it.
PLEASE LET THEM MAKE IT IN ENGLISH!!!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 01:33:48 PM
Seen it a while ago, going to try it out sometime.
Their vids on youtube are awesome.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 01:57:25 PM
Actually, trying it out right now.
Startup screen looks nice already, asks me what window layout I want.

Can choose between 8 initial interface configurations, including something that looks alot like Photoshop with the vertical toolbar and one that looks pretty much like the SAI interface with the tools listed in the same bar as the color picker and the tool configuration. Looks promising already from the start.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 02:15:38 PM
;D

(http://dl.kaetemi.be/sai/illuststudio.png)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on August 26, 2009, 05:03:41 PM
' _ ' they'll be a translation soon, I bet.
SmithMicro use to do a translation for other celsys's products.

It's really great program, I agree. But only thing that I don't like is it's tool. They're more complicate than PS (look like it cam out from corel or something) And swatches, textures, presets browser is suck =A=

This takes a day to customize all hotkey.


by the way...... this cost about... 70usd in japanese version. But gonna raise up like hell after SmithMicro buy/translate it. (and then pirate will be my solution)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
It took way too long already for SmithMicro to even provide the newest version of CELSYS ComicStudio, they didn't even bother to release the patch to run the previous version of ComicStudio for the english language version to make it run on Vista. I don't know why they acquired e-Frontier (which originally had the licenses for ComicStudio et al), if they just to provide sucky support like that. They recently even shut down all their user forums for their graphics product range. I don't really see them licensing/translating IllustStudio anytime soon.

The drawing on the cover of the "smith micro Manga Studio" box was actually made with Corel Painter IX, btw, if I remember correctly. xD
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 09:15:38 PM
Anyways, all language related win32 resources are in the iswResJ.dll, so it's actually not too hard to edit ;)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 26, 2009, 10:22:57 PM
The drawing on the cover of the "smith micro Manga Studio" box was actually made with Corel Painter IX, btw, if I remember correctly. xD

Yups.. there has been a huge discussion about it on DA onder the deviation x) (Well, that was so freaking disturbing, i actually baught MS EX 4 cause the illustration made is look extra promissing..)

Well, honestly the only software i was able to create decent linework and inking in was Manga Studio, absolutely the best thing, now if this matches Manga Studio + ability to color Painter/SAI-wise... oh dear... this has to be so awesome!

But.. so you are saying it would be possible to make an unofficial translation? ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 10:26:46 PM
I'm thinking of writing an app that can go trough the resources in the dll file automatically, and uses google translate or something to automatically translate everything it finds.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 26, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
;D

(http://dl.kaetemi.be/sai/illuststudio.png)

Wow what a copy cat job they did :P No wonder Koji from SAI no longer puts out updates, people have been stealing left and right his ideas.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 11:12:43 PM
All the layouts (images taken from the program's included files) that are presented at startup. Further fully customizable how much you see of everything in every menu.
(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_01.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_02.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_03.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_04.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_05.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_06.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_07.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_08.png)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 26, 2009, 11:18:08 PM
Ah so you just made it look like SAI layout? Pretty versatile.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 26, 2009, 11:35:05 PM
I picked the fifth one (which looks like sai with the menus on the left as is default) and moved the layer panel to the right. ;)
But yeah, it's completely customizable.

(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/Layout_05.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/sai/sai_shot.jpg)

Btw, the bar on the right of the color wheel, is the alpha. It's like the small button under the primary/secondary color switcher in SAI, but with complete control. So you can turn a pencil into a halfway eraser pencil thingy, lol.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 27, 2009, 05:18:33 AM
Just checked out the vids on illuststudio.net, that thing is like a freaggin PS, Illustrator, SAI, MS ex, Alias SB (hell alias sb didn't even have symmetry and perspective drawing till 2009 >.>) in one, costumisable to bits ... something has got to be wrong there, this looks just too perfect, besides the fect that it is in japanese only, this software is going to haunt me in my dreams...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: sgiff on August 27, 2009, 08:15:34 AM
Anyways, all language related win32 resources are in the iswResJ.dll, so it's actually not too hard to edit ;)

Do it, post it.  Let's have it.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 27, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/googletrans.png)(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/tooloptions.png)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 27, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
Majikkuwando! ;D

(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/majikkuwando.png)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on August 27, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Has IllustStudio trial period (like SAI) or trial version has reduced functionality?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 27, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Seems you can't save with the 1.0.7 RC trial. Not sure about the regular 30 day trial.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on August 27, 2009, 03:31:28 PM
:'(

1.0.7? I can found only 1.0.6 on site
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 27, 2009, 03:55:28 PM
beta :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 27, 2009, 04:12:23 PM
No restrictions when using the trial key, 35 days trial. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on August 27, 2009, 04:56:12 PM
I plan to buy this around... october (or soon, if I'm free from school project to try the program)
I don't know..... maybe I'll upload it somewhere if anyone here want it = ="

Did they accept paypal ?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 27, 2009, 07:51:58 PM
I can't even figure out how to download the demo, can we even install on non Japanese OS? I'm dying to try it!!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on August 28, 2009, 01:37:33 AM
' _ ' I can imagine how different it is from SAI.
Like driving a small coupe and suddenly change to F1 =A=
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 28, 2009, 06:50:52 AM
Tried to install but no luck, the videos are amazing, SAI has a lot to catch up after this.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: blurymind on August 28, 2009, 02:47:05 PM
Kaetemi> will you post the translation patch or something like that soon  :o

I'm really eager to try this out,but I dont know any japanese.

As for running it on windows xp, you have to go to control panel>regional and language options>

on regional options tab:
set it to japanese, location can be anything,

on advance tab:
again- set it to japanese.

If it wants a windows xp cd, tell it to use whats on the computer, after that it will prompt you to restart. After a restart you will have a japanese windows xp..

you can also run the installer through applocate instead,but not sure if it will work then.

Also,when installing make sure that there is no kanji or any other weird encoding in the directory names (rename any j-characters to english fonts)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 28, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Just tried to install it on my vista, ... i failed  T_T ... it prompts some windows and ofc i don't have a clue of what it wants, by the looks of screenshots Kaetemi  is using vista aswell, how on earth did you menage to install this thing? If there is a way to make a homemade translation of this thing, by editing iswResJ.dll how accessable does it become? I actually would love some features review here, since i am diying to know wether it is really as good as it looks, and if that homemade-rtanslation is possible, i don't mind buying it in Japanese and tweaking it.

EDIT: bleh, no its windows 7 your using :p , nvm but still how do you run it on a western OS?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 28, 2009, 03:39:26 PM
Language for non-unicode programs should be set to "Japanese (Japan)" in the region settings of the control panel.
For translation file, mail me at kaetemi@gmail.com.

I'll have a community translation system up and running somewhere next week. (A client tool that finds the texts in the application files and patches them with the translation, together with a website which provides the translations, where you can also post better translations, with a simple voting system to provide the best translations to the users. Something like that. Will be usable for pretty much any program.)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: blurymind on August 28, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
Language for non-unicode programs should be set to "Japanese (Japan)" in the region settings of the control panel.
For translation file, mail me at kaetemi@gmail.com.

I'll have a community translation system up and running somewhere next week. (A client tool that finds the texts in the application files and patches them with the translation, together with a website which provides the translations, where you can also post better translations, with a simple voting system to provide the best translations to the users. Something like that. Will be usable for pretty much any program.)
kaetemi> you sir, are a god. You can't imagine how much this means to everybody here and probably the whole internet.  :D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 28, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
May be we shouldn't blow it to cosmic proportions just yet, Something tells me the original creators of Illust Studio won't be too happy knowing a homemade translation is circelling the net.  On the other hand it may give them the push in the right direction to offer Eng client support, ( atm even if i ever succed in instlling and understanding the features i still doubt i will be able to buy the licence >.>)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: blurymind on August 28, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
I dont think that its against any laws to make such a great product accessable to the rest of the world. Its  actually quite in their favor  :)

Its inevitable, it was for paint tool sai and it worked very well for it- it became very popular early before its author made it in english. I think that if it wasnt for the popularity it gained early on thanks to the fan translation, it's author wouldnt have made it available to the rest of the world via paypal.

I too would like to purchase a license to use it,but only after seeing its possible to get it in english!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 28, 2009, 04:33:30 PM
Hmmm... did any1 considered writing Celsys a letter? followed by some soort of petition ( i am pretty sure if you put a petition for this on DA you'll get plenty singatures) requesting an eng version + client support? Ofc this is just a silly idea that just pooped out of my silly head :p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: blurymind on August 28, 2009, 07:39:42 PM
did you guys notice that this will be released for the mac osx leopard and windows 7 too! Finally an application similar to paint tool sai on OSX! For the first time ever!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 29, 2009, 12:01:59 AM
Oki, thanks to godlike Kaetemi, i menaged to get it running here, well... i was dying to try  it out, so here is a little review:
With this homemade translation it is very very accessable, plus if you know your away around with Manga Studio this will look for ~60% familiar,. Is it really that good as i was expecting it to be? *shrugs* dunno... really do not know... it surely is good, i think i even love it, but meh :S even tho this is a trial version and lots of  options are unavailible, ( like the freaggin save option >.> *sigh* ) anyways...

Pencils: bleh... suck doggy balls imo, but w/e paper & regular pencil ftw.
Inks: have dropped down from heaven! <3 big time!
Brushes: are also damn good, have been looking for a way to create custom tip, but no luck so far, though they surely are damn great as they are,  devine color blending!
Gradients: oki, Ps is better.
Bucket!: ooh that is one lil wicked bucket! :D <3
Filters: hmm... rather have PS, but it has perspective drawing aid! so... 50/50
Computones have to be installed separetely,  found only junk in material folder.
Dumdidum... so generally...

' _ ' I can imagine how different it is from SAI.
Like driving a small coupe and suddenly change to F1 =A=

Totally!

Here is my lil test doodle:
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5330/illuststudiotest.jpg)

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 29, 2009, 12:13:04 AM
lots of  options are unavailible, ( like the freaggin save option >.> *sigh* )
Go to the celcys clip website, and request a full trial key (Somewhere, on one of the pages there's a button, click it, you'll get a mail with a key, it might arrive in your spam). Trials are currently valid until the 30th September.

EDIT: If you're logged in on that website, there's a button on this url: http://www.clip-studio.com/clipstudio/tooltop/template/IllustStudio click it.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on August 29, 2009, 04:58:49 AM
did you guys notice that this will be released for the mac osx leopard and windows 7 too! Finally an application similar to paint tool sai on OSX! For the first time ever!

Windows 7 ! ! !

god........I'll only use sai until Feb of next year. (Then I'll get a new PC)
I'm quite sure my machine can not handle this right now. (experienced from the previous MS4EX)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: sgiff on August 29, 2009, 09:42:42 AM
Well somebody needs to post the installer on Rapidshare because even though I register it won't allow me to log in at all.  I have even gotten password in email, no luck.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 29, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
Ohh the history panel has a color history panel ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 29, 2009, 12:36:02 PM
Two questions regarding the UI.

Does it rotate the page like in SAI Space+ALT?

And can you live resize the brushes like SAI, Painter... Control+Alt?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 29, 2009, 01:41:02 PM
Yups,
Rotate = R
Brush Size = ctrl+alt + drag your stylus
but I believe you can set any key binding you want.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: blurymind on August 29, 2009, 06:04:02 PM
this is truly a great piece of software. the more i get to know it, the more i am loving it. The translation is good enough to understand it and its A LOT. Kaetemi did a great job. It still does need some editing- like the name of the layer types- rasteru=raster, and so on..  there are a few kanji items as well. God, this is going to be so awesome when it gets fully translated. There is even a 3d layer with a pose-able model and the option to import 3d media!  ;D

the selection tool can act as a bucket and has an interesting gui that lets you easily expand selection and other stuff.

In its filters I especially liked the watercolor effect filter.

This thing is packed with goods
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 29, 2009, 09:39:17 PM
Yups,
Rotate = R
Brush Size = ctrl+alt + drag your stylus
but I believe you can set any key binding you want.


I hope we can change the rotation key, pressing R is not very practical but glad they implemented live brush resize. If SAI doesn't get updated I'll probably move on to this. The inking pen response on the videos seems to be on par with SAI and with a perpective tool it couldn't possibly be more practical.


Yeah the selection tools in IllustStudio were the first thing that trully impressed me, it's like these guys came from the future and are showing us how programs will be like.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on August 29, 2009, 10:03:43 PM
It will kill your traditional skill =A=
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: blurymind on August 29, 2009, 10:31:43 PM
paint tool sai still has a lead on this in one aspect, i think- the  lineart layer..Either i can't get a hang of the line tools, or sai's tracing system is easier and more effective..

I need a lot of time to get to know it- its way more complex than sai.

Still this application outweights sai in features,gui customisation,and some other things..
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 29, 2009, 11:04:32 PM
Yeah the selection tools in IllustStudio were the first thing that trully impressed me, it's like these guys came from the future and are showing us how programs will be like.

From the future? More like picking out the best from the past, looks familiar? MS EX4 ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 30, 2009, 12:59:37 AM
Yes they picked some of the past and added some of the future ;)


Anyone managed to load 3D objects? The Open box is always grayed out even after I open a new 3D layer.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 30, 2009, 01:10:23 AM
The auto translation broke the file extensions in the open dialog, oops. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 30, 2009, 05:11:52 AM
Anyway to hot fix it?


I haven't been able to find where or how to use the pen correction feature either, the one that mimics SAI inking layer. So far I'm liking both the brush and pen tools, both have a pressure curve that you can edit freely and also change the shape of the brush tip.

This program is really something, so many features. Better start saving for it, 'bout time someone stepped up since SAI has been in hiatus for so long.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 30, 2009, 10:56:35 AM
Mails will be sent.

(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/3dreiya.png)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Coda on August 30, 2009, 02:27:52 PM
Kaetemi for president!  :D
Thanks alot for the effort and e-mail! :)

Edit: It is rediculous cheap compaired to what this software is capable of ~ 6k yen that is ~44 €  >.> (not even 1 video game lol, well depends on the game)
I m considering buying it, but how the hell do you buy it when whole site is in japanese and you can't use a translator =/

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 30, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
You can buy it trough CELSYS Direct store, using a credit card, but the website forces you to enter a Japanese address. It's possible to force the registration forms, though, but I don't recommend doing that. They also sell the software boxed (it's on amazon.co.jp, but they don't ship software products outside of Japan), so your best bet would be to find someway to have a boxed version imported.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on August 30, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
*sigh*
Getting an item through Belgian customs from Japan / US = paying 1/4 extra, plus they are unbelievably slow, been there done that, ...  rather just have an  online download somehow...  bleh... :<
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 30, 2009, 06:29:36 PM
Maybe some import store like Archonia might bother to stock some boxes if you ask them.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on August 30, 2009, 08:42:46 PM
Email me too, curious how the 3D stuff is handled.


As for buying it, I'm just going to wait for the English version, maybe by then we have an even more solid version or maybe SAI gets updated with real features that make Illuststudio redundant.


Got it thanks! In a way it's like poser, excellent if you want to try out different angles before drawing.


Just managed to try the vector layer, doesn't seem as easy to use as the one in SAI.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on August 31, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Now I have to ask my friend to buy that and send me the box. D :
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on August 31, 2009, 08:11:37 PM
I just sent a mail to celsys to ask where I can buy it from Europe. Waiting for their response. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 01, 2009, 09:11:32 AM
Lol

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Thanks you very much for you are interested in our software.
We answer for your question as follows:

Now we are sorry for sale of IllustStudio is Windows OS only Japanese
version.
And we don’t support other language OS, we support the Japanese only.

We are sorry for overseas release and English version for IllustStudio is
undecided.

Sorry for inconvenience.

I guess "Japanese language downloadable version is ok." was not clear enough...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 01, 2009, 10:28:23 AM
The IllustStudio logo reminds me of the i-mode logo.
(http://illuststudio.net/img/entry/product_info_top_090618.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/I_am_faster_than_wap.jpg/800px-I_am_faster_than_wap.jpg)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 01, 2009, 02:37:43 PM
 You asked them a wrong question.
Well, I am planning to write them, once i am fully fonvinced with IS (hell yea i acctually already am , but *shrugs* got an other month on trial),
Basically who wants a translated softwarepack, but all we want is a license, a serial number.  If they can sell me a serial number, I  kk ;)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 01, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
You asked them a wrong question.
The mail was like this... as simple as I could write it
Quote
Is it possible to buy IllustStudio from Europe (Belgium)?
Japanese language downloadable version is ok.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 01, 2009, 04:20:21 PM
Oi...
Just sent mine.
Pretty damn curious on what they will reply to me, i nearly wrote them a loveletter >.> ( they are Japanese you know... they like stuff neat, cute and presented on a silver plate x) )
Oh well we shall see :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 01, 2009, 10:18:00 PM
I'd rather wait for a English version maybe by then they'll iron the kinks and polish the program more. Found a few bugs and there seems to be a huge slowdown when I use selections and layers, also you can't hide the selection ants or use layer masks.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 02, 2009, 09:09:13 AM
They say you can try to buy with credit card from the CELSYS Direct website.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 02, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
hmmm... yup.  So i am guessing Japanese residence isn't required. =/?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 02, 2009, 02:03:54 PM
Well, the registration forms force you to enter a japanese looking address, but you can force stuff in there if you format it correctly, and just ignore the crap that you can't set right.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 02, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
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You will be purchase IllustStudio DL version as follow URL.
However, these are Japanese only.

・CELSYS DIRECT (Online Shopping E-store)
https://www2.celsys.co.jp/script/wwwapi.dll?OnBrowse&txIHtmlBrowse=netdc/store/gate.html

Perhaps, if your credit number is effective, you will can buy it.
Although we repeat that, we don’t support other language OS, we support the Japanese only.

Sorry for inconvenience.

Best Regards,
CELSYS
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 02, 2009, 02:24:57 PM
Yea, i got the very same mail, they must be getting a decent amount of those to have a template reply ready >.>.
I have spent about an hour on thier registration form @celsys direct,  filling that damn thing looks like filling an insurance form... jeez...  bleh.. just cba with that
Oh well, still got 28 days on trial, may be some key gen or just a random SN will pop up somewhere on the net, Celsys could also release a eng version (which i highly doubt but w/e). Time will tell.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 02, 2009, 11:26:47 PM
How did you managed to translate IllustStudio? You think it would be possible to translate NekoPaint as well? Really enjoying nekopaint for inking, the pressure curve makes all the difference and you can use any bitmap you want for the brush nib as opposed to SAI which uses points for the elemaps.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 03, 2009, 05:36:04 AM
oh pls, let the fanmade translation be out soon!!   ;D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on September 03, 2009, 12:01:59 PM
I just installed this prog, but it asks me for some serial number.
Where I can get one?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 03, 2009, 12:35:58 PM
You have to register on the site then request a serial which will be emailed to you.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 03, 2009, 01:09:06 PM
Go to the celcys clip website, and request a full trial key (Somewhere, on one of the pages there's a button, click it, you'll get a mail with a key, it might arrive in your spam). Trials are currently valid until the 30th September.

EDIT: If you're logged in on that website, there's a button on this url: http://www.clip-studio.com/clipstudio/tooltop/template/IllustStudio click it.

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on September 03, 2009, 04:53:05 PM
figue, Coda, thanks, will try.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 03, 2009, 06:04:53 PM
oh oh, there is an alternative online download store link @ Celsys!
http://shop.vector.co.jp/service/catalogue/illuststudio/ (http://shop.vector.co.jp/service/catalogue/illuststudio/)

And it looks like a regular online store without the horrible registration form, though i didn't go all the way down to the payment part.
Woohoo, there is still hope!  :P
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 05, 2009, 10:08:57 PM
How did you managed to translate IllustStudio? You think it would be possible to translate NekoPaint as well? Really enjoying nekopaint for inking, the pressure curve makes all the difference and you can use any bitmap you want for the brush nib as opposed to SAI which uses points for the elemaps.
I'll take a look at it this weekend ;)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on September 07, 2009, 03:53:35 AM
oh oh, there is an alternative online download store link @ Celsys!
http://shop.vector.co.jp/service/catalogue/illuststudio/ (http://shop.vector.co.jp/service/catalogue/illuststudio/)

And it looks like a regular online store without the horrible registration form, though i didn't go all the way down to the payment part.
Woohoo, there is still hope!  :P

No luck....this site asks for kanji,romaji of the name & telephone number
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8334/fullscreencapture792009.jpg)
So people who can't use kanji...like me...are out of luck.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 07, 2009, 09:28:58 PM
Yep, so much is true, it does not accept latin alphabet, sadly enough, ... just gave it a try...
Guess, it is time for plan B, Amazone.co.jp, they do ship internationally.
LINK (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BB%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%82%B9-IllustStudio-%E3%83%91%E3%83%83%E3%82%B1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%E7%89%88/dp/B00253QYU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1252344065&sr=8-1)
Shipping rates (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=1039606)

*sigh* ...
I am too in love with this software to give up tbh, i would marry it if i could T_T ... this one beats the crap out of everything i have tried, damn it, why don't they just release an english package already...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 08, 2009, 01:09:01 AM
Guess, it is time for plan B, Amazone.co.jp, they do ship internationally.
LINK (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BB%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%82%B9-IllustStudio-%E3%83%91%E3%83%83%E3%82%B1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%E7%89%88/dp/B00253QYU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1252344065&sr=8-1)
Shipping rates (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=1039606)
Not for all their products...
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Product Details

    * Shipping: We're sorry; this item can not be shipped outside Japan


Yea, i got the very same mail, they must be getting a decent amount of those to have a template reply ready >.>.
Template replies are easy! xD
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 08, 2009, 10:25:57 AM
hmm....installed IllustStudio on a lcd display and a wacom pen display, and the tablet pen mapping is screwed up....

*reset tablet drivers, and everything's peachy....  :-[
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 08, 2009, 01:48:19 PM
CELSYS' wacom input code is known to experience weird things with users that switch between monitors...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 09, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
version 1.0.8 is here....

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.illuststudio.net/download/isrc/ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.illuststudio.net/download/isrc/)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 09, 2009, 11:03:20 PM
Now what I want is a brush that starts out large but transparent, and goes thin and darker when I press harder...
Anyone know if that's possible somewhere?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 09, 2009, 11:28:25 PM
Now what I want is a brush that starts out large but transparent, and goes thin and darker when I press harder...
Anyone know if that's possible somewhere?

Set to dark composite and adjust the pressure curse, you could make something like that quite easily.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 02:21:51 AM
Now what I want is a brush that starts out large but transparent, and goes thin and darker when I press harder...
Anyone know if that's possible somewhere?

Lemme see if i get this right:


High Pressure < ---------- > Low Pressure
          |                                        |
    Small Tip      <---------->   Large Tip       
          |                                        |
High Density  <--------------> Low Density   


Yea it is possible, but feels very unnatural, why would you wanna do that?



Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 10, 2009, 06:10:47 AM
Set to dark composite and adjust the pressure curse, you could make something like that quite easily.


mind if u provide some screencaps on how 2 do it? Looked thru the settings but nt sure which ones to change...

and 2 answer Coda, it'll be like using the side of a fat brush at the start of the stroke and ending with the brush's pointed tip.....
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 10, 2009, 06:58:43 AM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2301/strokeo.jpg) (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/strokeo.jpg/)


ok, reversed the pressure graph and i'm getting the above stroke. When i press harder the stroke thins to nothingness....but when i pick up my tablet pen, pressure is released and you see this short stroke at the top right of the canvas....

so any way 2 tweak the settings to avoid this....as well as make the broad starting part of the stroke soft, while the ending part hard and sharp....
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 12:31:36 PM
Yup, you got that right, just reverse the pressure graph :). Still this feels like drawing in a mirror, your brain will automatically try to interpret the sroke according the physics you are used to. Gave it  a try yesterday, geeeeesh lol.
It'll be like using the side of a fat brush at the start of the stroke and ending with the brush's pointed tip.....
If this is what you want use tilt, not pressure as size variable, you will get a broad tip under a low angle stylus/tablet and a thin one under a wide angle (actually you could reverse that aswell i think :p).
Will feel more natural, like drawing with a real pencil.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 12:37:46 PM
Set to dark composite and adjust the pressure curse, you could make something like that quite easily.
Still gives me dark when light pressure and light when hard pressure...
I want to inverse the pressure for the size only.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop
Post by: figue on September 10, 2009, 12:46:55 PM
This was the best I could do, I don't know if we can inverse the pressure size, click to expand the picture:

(http://www.vulomedia.com/images/68068illustrationstudio.jpg)


Also is dark compare and not composite or whatever I wrote.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
You have pen size set to stroke rate.
But yeah, the effect should look something like this...
(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/sharpends.png)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
Woooow hold on a sec... that's a normal stroke, pay attention to the part where the brush leaves the canvas and the line gets thinner? This indicates no inverse pressure bullshit! :p
this is the kind of line i get with inverse pressuse, watch the bumpy ends on the stroke where the brush leaves the canvas?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
Because the blobby low pressure end is supposed to be transparent. You don't see it.
Also, the small ending is supposed to be on full pressure.
It's faked on the screen, though, which is why it doesn't look as it should anyways.
In photoshop you can do the exact opposite of what I want to do though >_>
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 01:13:58 PM
Well, tbh i think you are looking in wrong direction.
Just what exactly are you looking for? a Brush for what? What natural brush are you trying to immitate lol?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 01:15:36 PM
Hey, I'm just testing the limits ;)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
/headdesk
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 10, 2009, 01:18:06 PM
You have pen size set to stroke rate.
But yeah, the effect should look something like this...
(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/sharpends.png)


That looks thin and dark to light and large, without an inverse option it will be very hard to get that look.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 01:21:13 PM
That looks thin and dark to light and large, without an inverse option it will be very hard to get that look.
Yeah, that's the effect I'm looking for... ^^

(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/morelikethis.png)
(the top one)


I guess It'd be kind of like holding a graffiti spray paint far away from whatever you're spraying at, and close to whatever you're spraying at or something.

Just what exactly are you looking for? a Brush for what? What natural brush are you trying to immitate lol?
Not necessarily trying to imitate a natural brush. This just seems like an interesting brush. It might have some use for sketching, not sure.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Ok, if this comes down to a simple experiment, lets see:

These are the 'brush mechanic engins" ( lets call them this way lol)

Pressure
Tilt
Stroke rate
Slope ( i still have to figure out what this does)

And there is only one of each, which means if you reverse the working/perception of one of those, all the variables depending on the output of that "engin" will follow that graph.
Now the variables, size and density, according to your little experiment have to listen to one same "engin", but one must behave in a regular way yet the other do the inverse, so unless if you pick an other "engin" for size or density/opacity, this is impossible. ( IMO, correct me if i am wrong x))
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 01:36:28 PM
So why don't they just put the curves on the brush parameters instead of on the wacom parameters...

Quote
Pressure
Tilt
Stroke rate
Slope ( i still have to figure out what this does)
slope = tilt
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 01:45:25 PM
Because there is a gazillion tools with each at least 4 personal parameters, and a bunch standard parameters, how heavy and expensive does the software with such lvl of  customisation have to be? think about it lol :p .... >.> i highly doubt that even Adobe ppl would ever wanna go that far,

And thanks for the explanation, i wonder why when i adjust the slope graph nothing happens... bleh.. need to take a look at tha.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 10, 2009, 01:52:17 PM
i highly doubt that even Adobe ppl would ever wanna go that far
do they even have curves? ;D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
do they even have curves? ;D

*shrugs* I hate Photoshop, rarely use it, and if i do only to make adjustments ( and yea those have curves :p) or throw a gradient overlay ^^.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 10, 2009, 03:20:22 PM
I think Kaetemi was talking about pressure curves, Photoshop does not any kind of pressure adjustment, like Corel Painter, it has stagnated, one reason I'm so interested in the recent japanese programs is that they're full of fresh ideas and don't cost a fortune. A shame they only think about the japanese market, IllustStudio would sure be very helpful in my workflow.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2009, 03:28:55 PM
Well, IllustStudio is the awesomest thing i have encountered so far, it simply is perfect, for inking, shading, painting, hell i could prolly inport Manga's studio chatbubbles as materials in here, ahven't tried yet, ultimate illustration tool =/, imo, and i don't care how but i am getting my self a license by the time this trial runs out, even if i have to beg over entier DA/CA for some1 willing to purchase me one in Japan, lol ( Well, lets admit even with Kaetemi's homemade translation it works like a charm :) )
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 13, 2009, 07:53:35 AM
You have pen size set to stroke rate.
But yeah, the effect should look something like this...
(http://dl.kaetemi.be/illuststudio/sharpends.png)


can i check, which program and setting did you use to get tat stroke?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 05:36:37 PM
can i check, which program and setting did you use to get tat stroke?
illuststudio, but using seperate input parameters, so it's not really handy that way ;)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 07:56:23 PM
success! ;D

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Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 13, 2009, 08:11:51 PM
Quote
Thank you for your purchase.

We process credit card transactions are complete. Please check your e-mail will be sent a complete settlement.
If you purchase packaged goods, the product will usually ships in two business days.
If download products purchased, address and serial number to download the product
We will send an email to let you know it, please download it from there..
success! ;D



HOOOOOOOWWWWWWW,  :o TELLLL MEEEEH!!!!
*grabs her raygun points to your head* LIEK NAO!!!!

oki.. may be this is a wrong approach...
*falls on her knies* /BEG!!! ...  >.<
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 08:14:49 PM
celsys direct
force your data in the fields :p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 13, 2009, 08:16:15 PM
>.> ... been there tried that...  didn't get shit, failed...what did you do so differant than me?


Hmmm... well, guess i'll take a look at it again in a while... *scratches head*
So you got  a serial number? Directly? Or there is a whole prosedure in that fabulous oh so beloved Japanese moonspeak (I so need to learn that languare tbh >.>) before you can download it?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 08:36:23 PM
Just get an e-mail with a serial number and some download links with the app, a complete manual, and tons of sample data.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
Oh, and here's a preview version of my translation tool:
http://translate.kaetemi.be/client/translate_mw-0.1.zip
(Requires .net Framework 2.0, which is included by default in vista and up)

Quote
Majikkuwando v0.1 Client (2008-09-13 14:23 GMT)

Features
- Implemented reading and writing of the Win32 PE file format
- Basic support for reading VS_VERSION_INFO structure
- Reading and writing of the .rsrc section
- Support for translating CELSYS,Inc. language file format
- Easy to use wizard style user interface

Known issues
- Browse button is not implemented
- Only support translation from Japanese to English
- No support yet for MFC dialog resources

:)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 13, 2009, 08:42:24 PM
Whut does Majikkuwando do? :p
(that word is too giggle'ish lol x) )

I see, nvm... >.<
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 08:44:47 PM
You put in a Japanese exe/dll, and it makes you an English one.
Only supports CELSYS stuff for now, I haven't implemented the standard MFC stuff yet.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 13, 2009, 08:50:28 PM
Well, it's great and all (and i mean it is really great job you did there! ) but how is a dumbass regular person that knows shit about software engineering supposed to know what exe, dll to translate :p?  there are like several of those in there =/ ...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
Trial and error? xD
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 13, 2009, 09:05:23 PM
Ok, what did you put as location, the only option is Japan, and they request a Japanese zip... city... and  adress.... >.> that's the main problem about that registration
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 09:09:58 PM
The postcode is in format ###-####, so you can put for example zeros in the first three, and your postcode in the last four, like 000-1500.
You can leave the country on Japan.
Pick something random for province.
Then, in the second street address line, you can put the country there.
And as telephone number, just pick 00-0000-0000 or something.

Then, when you buy, pick the 5980 yen download version.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 13, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
SUCCES!!! :D
Finally it is mine MINE MINE!!! My Precious!! Muhahahaha!
Thank you Kaetemi for the explanationz!
*Offers a virtual cookie* or shall i draw you something nice instead?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 13, 2009, 09:53:01 PM
Draw me something nice.
Like a logo/icon for my translation tool? ^^
Square 512x512 minimum, resizable from 256x to 32x something, with alpha channel and good silhouette obviously.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Pinku on September 14, 2009, 12:46:36 AM
Hi ^-^,

Doumo arigatou por the english translation!! *love*
Mmm... well, I wanted to know if there is more people who still can't install well the program ;__;... because I read all the posts, I changed my language computer and now windows start in japanese,,, but I still can't install it TAT I really want to try this program, because if it's cool, I want to buy it! But if it doesn't work in my computer,,, ;___; I want to know why ;o; In theory, I have installed it but when I click the button to start the program, a pop up appears with something like this: "The route can't be found" 

Isn't there anyone who suffer the same problem or knew if there is some important thing we can't forget if we want to install it? :\


Forget it, I fixed the problem by myself :B

Thanks for all! *lovely CHU*

PD: Sorry for my english, I tried my best!

matta ne *hugs&kissus*
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 15, 2009, 03:11:55 PM
New version of translation tool, now also translates mfc dialog boxes.
http://translate.kaetemi.be/client/translate_mw-0.2.zip

Quote
Features
- Support translating MFC dialog box resources

Fixes
- ComicStudio was not detected as containing CELSYS language resources
- Section address was incorrectly assigned when two sections touched
- Applications without version information can be translated now

Known issues
- Browse button is not implemented
- Only support translation from Japanese to English
- No support yet for string table resources
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 15, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
Works great, even translated the rec plugin now! Guess one could say it is 90% perfectly in english now, except a few lil things, like color whiel and pallet preferences.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on September 15, 2009, 06:44:38 PM
PS can't survive if Adobe don't improve it =A=
Want a new PC right now =[]=
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on September 17, 2009, 01:47:17 PM
success! ;D

Where did you bought it?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on September 18, 2009, 10:09:08 PM
Awesome, thanks for the translating job!

It would be a good idea to edit the first post to list informations such as the price and the steps to take to buy it and use the translation, in my opinion - especially since this thread is becoming quite long. Anyway, I'll try the trial as soon as I can, so I'll be able to make my decision.

Even if this is less powerful than Photoshop, it's also much less expensive! 5980 yen aren't that much, for this kind of program, isn't it something like a thousand more than Sai?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 20, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
Yeah but you can be sure after it goes through the hands of smithmicro it will be much more.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on September 20, 2009, 02:10:36 PM
If that happened, could we still buy it directly from Celsys?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 20, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
Both statements are nothing more than speculations,
1: Celsys, hasn't decided to release an english version, nor sell source code to Smith Micro (well, correct me if i am wrong here)
2: It would be not exactly wise to sell english version for higher amount, there is Photoshop Elements and Painter Essencials, and Art Rage... and .. pfff... a couple of other pretty decent softwares for same price, and i highly doubt they would do that. (well, one could simply buy a japanese one and tranlate it, like Kaetemi and moi, have done here.)


To anwser Ren's question here, at the moment you CANNOT buy it from Celsys Direct, unless you  force your data into input fields on registration and payment forms,  that's the little ninja method, but doing that on your own responsibility!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 20, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
It's a no brainer, Manga Studio EX 4 costs $299.99, there's no way a program loaded with features like IllustStudio would sell for less than that, this is if smithmicro buys the rights to distribute it overseas and to provide English support.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 20, 2009, 07:34:53 PM
Fixed about 100 translations in the database, re-run the translation tool on the original dll to get updated translations. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: sgiff on September 21, 2009, 10:06:19 AM
It's a no brainer, Manga Studio EX 4 costs $299.99, there's no way a program loaded with features like IllustStudio would sell for less than that, this is if smithmicro buys the rights to distribute it overseas and to provide English support.

Actually you are wrong on that.  It will sell for slightly more possibly to cover the cost of translating into English but it is unheard of where a program is cheap in one country and expensive in another.  Smith Micro or whoever purchases the rights to distribute and translate it here in the US will have very little cost in converting it to English.  Plus if you are going after the Photoshop market, what better than to come out with a product that is really cheap.  No one will switch to this app if it costs close to what PS costs anyway.  Photoshop although it may lack in painting abilities is far in advance of this program in other ways don't fool yourselves.

The problem right now is the economy and companies out there are really conservative these days about investing money so well see if this product gets picked up here in the U.S. or other English countries.

What we need to do is find someone like Magix that is based in Germany but has picked up a lot of small apps and needs a drawing painting app to look at buying the rights to translate and distribute.   So I suggest that we get a petition together from here or deviant art to get them to look into it.  Forget about Smith Micro.  They are not an innovative company and they really have no graphics background or connection to the community.  I suspect they will sell off Poser within the year as I don't think it has been selling well for them.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop
Post by: figue on September 21, 2009, 01:29:35 PM
Actually you are wrong on that.  It will sell for slightly more possibly to cover the cost of translating into English but it is unheard of where a program is cheap in one country and expensive in another. 

Check how much Photoshop costs in the US and how much it costs in European countries :P (hint it costs 3x times more). This is why I think if Smith Micro does the same treatment they did do Manga Studio EX the price would inflate quite considerably.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 21, 2009, 07:08:48 PM
I really wonder why do you ppl compair it to PS, PS is no software for painting / illustration, it is designed for photo manipulation, and that is what it is excellent for (!),  if you want a solid illustration tool you would be looking towards Corel Painter /Corel Draw or Adobe Illustrator, those even in EU aren't that costy, and on professional level IllustStudio does not match those capabilities by far. Hell it is only 300€ for a crispy new full Painter 11, think about 130 for an upgrade. IllustStudio is a starters lvl software, for those funky kids that like to draw manga in thier free time, that is Celsys target audience,  a random scolar that should be able to buy a software and a shiny wacom bamboo with the little monthly allowance saving he's got. Price is really not the thing i would worry about, more an enthousiastic EU/US distributor, this software is unknown and from what i can tell there isn't much fuss going on about it on the western site. If we are about to start a petition, you got my both thumbs up.  But... hmmm... need to think through how, and imo DA sounds like a better call, than this forum, and if we can get some populair ppl involved it would surely lead it somewhere, only... well... hehe... can't really estimate anything here :p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on September 22, 2009, 02:53:06 AM
I really dont understand how to do the English patch... the browser button doesn't even work unless I'm doing it wrong.. hmm has anyone tried freezing the programs trial with this http://www.katzforums.com/showthread.php?t=147824 (http://www.katzforums.com/showthread.php?t=147824)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 22, 2009, 03:59:09 AM
the browser button doesn't even work unless I'm doing it wrong..
Yeah, read the .txt that's included. It says that the Browse button isn't implemented it. You have to enter the filepaths manually. Will put up some walktrough later or so for translating IllustStudio.
Basically you enter the path to iswResJ.dll in the illuststudio folder, then target somewhere safe. Then make a backup of the iswResJ.dll in the illustfolder, and copy the translated version into the illuststudio folder.
P.S. I'll reply to your mail tomorrow or something.


---

Unrelated btw, translating NekoPaint won't work, the strings are entirely hardcoded (aka randomly scattered troughout the raw code data), so it's going to be way too much work to write up a system to scan the code for string data, and properly rebuild the exe afterwards. Same case for openCanvas it seems.
Not impossible, but an insane amount of work.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on September 22, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
aww poo Ive got nothing ;_____; Ive tried it like you said and it went through but no translation.. odd
p.s okay ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop
Post by: sgiff on September 22, 2009, 08:02:02 AM
Check how much Photoshop costs in the US and how much it costs in European countries :P (hint it costs 3x times more). This is why I think if Smith Micro does the same treatment they did do Manga Studio EX the price would inflate quite considerably.

Photoshop cost 816 Euros for the non-Ext version which according to google is 1,197.5616 U.S. dollars

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=816+Euro+to+dollars&btnG=Google+Search&fp=85c37c87e7868764

So wouldn't that mean that it would be cheaper over here since Photoshop in the US only cost 700 dollars?.

By the way, I thought the Euro was doing so much better than the dollar.  If thats the case should PS be cheaper in Europe.  I'm confused.

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop
Post by: figue on September 22, 2009, 09:06:52 AM
Photoshop cost 816 Euros for the non-Ext version which according to google is 1,197.5616 U.S. dollars

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=816+Euro+to+dollars&btnG=Google+Search&fp=85c37c87e7868764

So wouldn't that mean that it would be cheaper over here since Photoshop in the US only cost 700 dollars?.

By the way, I thought the Euro was doing so much better than the dollar.  If thats the case should PS be cheaper in Europe.  I'm confused.



There's a very ongoing complaint by europeans about the pricing of Photoshop in Europe. What I was getting at was how Manga Studio EX was already expensive even in Japan and by IllustStudio being quite cheap there's more room to jack up the price for the English market since there's nothing like it. I would be very surprised if it was priced the same as Japan which currently sells for 65USD, they'll probably raise the price so it matches Autodesk SketchBook Pro and the like.

ArtRage will probably see a price increase too since from what I've read they have been working on it so it is a more competent software package, currently AR2.5 is nothing more than a toy full of gimmicks in my opinion, I truly hate it, could never do anything productive on it even if the Oils brush looks neat.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 22, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
So wouldn't that mean that it would be cheaper over here since Photoshop in the US only cost 700 dollars?.

By the way, I thought the Euro was doing so much better than the dollar.  If thats the case should PS be cheaper in Europe.  I'm confused.


You forget the taxes, we pay shit loads VAT + i guess they consider it an import product and slap an other one on top for that reason, just out of curiousity i checked the psices for PS (extended though) around EU, it is about 1.3k in Belgium, but there were places where the price topped to 1.5k Portugal and France i think do not remember for sure, (Just hit Adobe site and roam around diffrent countries for prices you may find it pretty lol'able).

aww poo Ive got nothing ;_____; Ive tried it like you said and it went through but no translation.. odd
p.s okay ^^

Is there a necessity of a tutorial? I can make one if such is the case.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on September 23, 2009, 12:50:11 AM
aww plz do I would love to know how to translate it ^^
have you translated it with the patch already?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 25, 2009, 05:08:01 AM
It's dull and boring, but should do the trick, i think...  :P

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2570/majikkuwandotut.jpg
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on September 25, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
GREAT tutorial!! thanks! And i did read it from start to end.  ;D

However, do i run the translator on all the files in the 'Tool' folder? Or only the dll files? Sorry, juz wanted 2 be sure...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 25, 2009, 02:55:23 PM
All, exe and dll.

Though it cannot translate every exe /dll, think i mentioned that.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on September 27, 2009, 04:33:08 AM
omg your awesome <3
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on September 27, 2009, 03:11:20 PM
Hey,people!
I personally would love to have this program but the the price....if it will trully cost around PS price then i can forget about buying it.Here PS costs 1200€ ...that is a lot.I can't afford even half of the price.
Also i seriously doubt that some company is going to make english version...like Coda said,this program isn't very known through out the world.If this forum didn't exist i doubt i would even know about it.
About petition..i'm all in.You guys need good dA anime painters to get involved in this.Also there is a JP site called pixiv.net that has great anime painters like Sayori,Simo,Nardack...maybe making a petition there as well would be good.
Katemi it is great that you translated this program,you're awesome.Although i have no use in this since i can't download it or buy it...i'm a european user and JP software won't work on my PC.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Poiizu on September 27, 2009, 10:06:29 PM
I'm scared to buy the Japanese version. Because what if they do bring it to America, translate it properly and polished. Will we be stuck with the Japanese version with translator? Or do you think we'll be able to get the English version somehow?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 27, 2009, 10:49:40 PM
Well, it is a choice, something you have to value by your self for your self, take the risk your self and if anything goes wrong take resposibilities your self. 
On one hand i am happy with the Japanese version, taking what happen with OpenCanvas and Manga Studio in consideration, i rather learn Japanese than see further development of my everyday software eng version fade into oblivion  :P (hell i always wanted to learn Japanese, this only gives me a good push in the right direction! :) )
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Poiizu on September 27, 2009, 11:37:09 PM
Can anyone Help me? I keep getting this message when i try to install

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o133/justateenageromance/illusthelp.jpg)

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Poiizu on September 27, 2009, 11:50:41 PM
Any help? I desperately want to try this program out!

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 28, 2009, 01:44:48 AM
You have to set your system to Japanese, go to Regional and Language Options, then Advanced and set to Japanese then get your Windows CD and put it on your DVD drive.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on September 28, 2009, 04:00:33 AM
His region setting seems to be setup fine, notice the yen sign instead of backslashes.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on September 28, 2009, 04:03:40 AM
Yeah didn't noticed, maybe it's just the windows install CD.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on September 29, 2009, 04:58:16 PM
Celsys made Materials, 3D models and brushes availible on Clip site

http://www.clip-studio.com/clipstudio/material

Check it out some are kinda nice :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on September 30, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
You guys are trying out this program and yet no one here is giving a link to download the program.... :(
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on September 30, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
I forgot where I download this prog, but I try to get trial serial number now, and there is no that page any more on site.
I can send you prog and trial serial if you want.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on September 30, 2009, 04:53:33 PM
As I said, it would be a good idea to edit the first page to put all the useful informarion there, so that people don't have to dig through 11 pages of thread..
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on October 01, 2009, 02:09:58 PM
I forgot where I download this prog, but I try to get trial serial number now, and there is no that page any more on site.
I can send you prog and trial serial if you want.
But this program is probably huge...why sending it when you can upload it on mediafire or rapidshare.As Ren said,you should put the links on the first page.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 01, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
It is defo not that huge 65meg only, and VERY EASY to find the DL, did you even bother to check Celsys/ IllustStudio.net? >.>

CLICK to DOWNLOAD (http://dl.clip-studio.com/clipcontent/lib/illuststudio/isdownload/istrial/data/100/IS_108_app.zip) the latest version.

For future updates =>> Check this (http://www.illuststudio.net/download/istrial/index.html) <<=
 
I'll slap a  new main post in a few with all info combined sticky it pleasy :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on October 01, 2009, 04:14:17 PM
Thank you very much! :3

I'm sure it will be useful to anyone who will find about this in the future.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on October 01, 2009, 04:59:34 PM
is there anyway for some one to post a link to the program already translated? like in rapid share or something :/
I cant change my language settings since I dont have my windows cd.. so this is a problem..
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on October 01, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
I cant change my language settings since I dont have my windows cd.. so this is a problem..

unfortunatelly, you *must* change you language settings to install program.
but you can try AppLocale
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on October 02, 2009, 01:40:08 AM
AppLocale isnt working for me for some reason Im about to uninstall it..
some one just needs to post it  translated already ;.;
hmm do you know when the english version will be out?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 02, 2009, 02:14:28 AM
We cannot translate the entier software. It is only partially translated, you really gotto find a way to get that non unicode language fixed.
Now even if i fetch you my translated Illuststudio, it will not work =/
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on October 02, 2009, 07:56:01 AM
hmm Okay ill just leave it alone then. I really cant risk my comp basically blowing up for this thing XD
but I do have a weird trial of it but it never needed the set up ... the thing is I just cant read anything. I have to use basic knowledge of art software
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on October 02, 2009, 02:34:33 PM
=w= I saw that it's beyond other software technology (and their weird guiding layer)
I also recommend to change system language ' _ ' (or find yourself looking for proper tool cluelessly)
It won't blow up your comp unless you try to update it with pirate windows cd XD
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: coffeelove on October 02, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
hmm thats the thing I tried to but  the systems language thing has every language but.. Japanese I found that annoying and funny at the same time.
now the program they suggested is the same way it has every other language but japanese >.> so I really dont know what to do.
this software is so complicated its ridiculous. but I love the fact how everyone is helping ;.;
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on October 04, 2009, 11:56:43 AM
It is defo not that huge 65meg only, and VERY EASY to find the DL, did you even bother to check Celsys/ IllustStudio.net? >.>

CLICK to DOWNLOAD (http://dl.clip-studio.com/clipcontent/lib/illuststudio/isdownload/istrial/data/100/IS_108_app.zip) the latest version.

For future updates =>> Check this (http://www.illuststudio.net/download/istrial/index.html) <<=
 
I'll slap a  new main post in a few with all info combined sticky it pleasy :)

It's in JP,i don't understand JP and some of the things on the site don't get translated with google translate..like buttons so i don't know which button to push so i can get the download site.Thank you for giving me the direct link.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 06, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
Doing some adjustments to the translation system, and preparing next version of the translation tool.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on October 06, 2009, 02:28:45 PM
Doing some adjustments to the translation system, and preparing next version of the translation tool.

Good going!

Thanks for the continuous job on this. :3
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: rafaelinux on October 07, 2009, 10:01:17 PM
I get the "Client version not supported. Visit http://translate.kaetemi.be" message. I guess that's a result of your preparation for the next version. U.u.. 'll have to wait to get an english version then!, good work anyways!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 08, 2009, 02:46:55 AM
Oi, ... sô desu...
And i just wanted to translate the 1.0.9 T_T
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 08, 2009, 03:29:27 AM
I've re-enabled it for the 0.2 version for now, but there *will* be glitches in the translation data.
Have fun! ;)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: rafaelinux on October 08, 2009, 05:47:29 AM
I've re-enabled it for the 0.2 version for now, but there *will* be glitches in the translation data.
Have fun! ;)
Well, thanks, then!. Let's see what the 0.2 client does with the ¿0.3? data and the dll's!
--EDIT--
The client doesn't seem to find the target directory path. Even putting "./" wouldn't help. It says either "Access to the path [path here] denied" or "Could not find a part of the path [path here]". But then again I guess that it was expected. Heh ^^''. I'll be eagerly waiting for a proper release then. Thanks!
--Second Edition (Windows 98 anybody?, heh, JK)--
I've somehow gotten it to work. But only when setting the output path the same as the origin/dll one. Obviously I've made a backup of that directory.
Let's see what happens now...
--Third one. This is about the same number as Windows XP's service packs already...--
I think I had gotten it wrong. You didn't ask for the output directory, but for the output path of the file INCLUDING the name of the file to be created, lol. You should either rephrase the label or change that behavior in the client! xD
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on October 08, 2009, 06:17:12 AM
i have 1 day left for my trial version, darn....u guys still able to use the software??
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: whazzup on October 08, 2009, 06:24:56 AM
and seriously, frm the rulers section of illuststudio, u can tell juz how much effort the company puts into actually understanding wat artists need to accelerate their workflow.... perspective lines and perspective circles, godsend!!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 08, 2009, 10:35:53 AM
1.0.9 seriously got pimped. I like it. Even with the "glitches" :p for now...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 10, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
an english language illuststudio page!
http://www.celsys.co.jp/en/products/illuststudio/index.html
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 10, 2009, 10:18:57 PM
WTF!!!
...

Idiots... why publish a page without actual product dowload button... *shakes head*
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on October 10, 2009, 10:25:47 PM
WTH!!!

(maybe they're going to add it later on?)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 10, 2009, 10:35:33 PM
WTH!!!

(maybe they're going to add it later on?)

... why did you make your font bigger than mine >.>... Phfff

OMFG!...
 I don't fucking care...
this got me all curious now... and since tomorow is sunday the site won't be updated...
and if there is an english version... my curiousity will prolly devoure me from the inside by monday ...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on October 10, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
Mou, not on purpose, I assure you. ;_;

*gives cookies*
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 10, 2009, 10:40:32 PM
oooh cookie :D ... cookies are good, i got tea!. Lets have a virtual tea party? ^^ to celebrate an Eng IllustStudio page on Celsys site!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on October 10, 2009, 10:41:35 PM
Can it be Darjeeling? I developed a taste for Darjeeling...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 10, 2009, 10:45:53 PM
OFC! and guess who will be serving it!  Why not Michael Sebastian (http://www.strawberrycomics.com/forum/download/file.php?id=5) him self xD
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Ren on October 10, 2009, 10:46:57 PM
Oh, my...

Absolutely! Definitely, I agree!

I now admire you just for suggesting it. :3
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on October 10, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
Nice, they update the program often like SAI used to so there's always that. Systemax has cleared been an example to the rest of the art program houses.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on October 13, 2009, 08:23:58 AM
Hi,been googling for info on this program,and it's this forum that's really on it  :)

So here's what I can add:

Illuststudio has an online manual,and you can use Google to translate it. The translation not bad,and although
the screenshots remain in Japanese,they are easy to follow,so here's the link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmanual.illuststudio.net%2F

"Getting Started" is a quick and good introduction.

Hope it helps!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 13, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
New version of translation tool uploaded.
http://translate.kaetemi.be/client/translate_mw-0.3.zip

Quote
Majikkuwando v0.3 Client (2009-10-13 07:41 GMT)

Features
- Translation of Win32 string tables is supported
- Implemented the browse button
- Support translation between various languages
- Serverside added new translation source

Fixes
- Version information without original filename info now uses filename
- Translation corrupted itself when restarted after failed halfway

Known issues
- No support yet for MFC menu resource data
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 13, 2009, 02:34:03 PM
Waaaauw!!
Kaetemi for President!!
Thanks alot! <3

Going to update the other post and give it a try in a few :p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 13, 2009, 03:10:09 PM
If there's any translation that needs fixes, you can now suggest new translations.
Please use the following format:

Quote
Wrong english translation 1
Corrected english translation 1

Wrong english trans 2
Correct eng trans 2
etc :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 13, 2009, 03:18:17 PM
Sticky up dated, Majikkuwando tested! Works like a charm :D

Well, it is ok as it is. After all i think the main goal was to make the software accessible, not to produce a perfect translation, and imo it is perfectly accessible :p

On the other hand... all you want is just the list of those wierdo "english" words Majikkuwando comes up? like Rasutareya and co :p? And you can fix that? And even more shocking, you are willing to be arsed  by fixing that manually?? ... Well... sure :p, think such lil list would be doible... ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 13, 2009, 03:31:06 PM
If you make a list, I can have a tool go trough that and put it on the translation cache server :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on October 14, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
The majikkowando tool has done an excellent job all in all. Thanks for taking the time to program it.  ;D

I notice in the toolbar and toolbox,if a tool is selected,the subtype (example: Pencil > Sharp Pencil) is in Japanese. Are there additional files that I need to run through the translator?

I'm using the 1.0.8 version I bought online.

TIA

Gnix
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 14, 2009, 10:10:37 AM
I think those are part of the user configurable files under Documents\IllustStudio Ver1 設定\Tool\PencilTool, you should be able to rename them from inside IllustStudio.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 14, 2009, 03:53:08 PM
What Kaetemi said, takes a good hour or so to rename everything, but you are able to translate everything from inside IllustStudio in the toolbars (using Google Translate or Babblefish imo Babblefish comes up with more logical terms xD).

On the other hand /tap @ Celsys that english page on thier site still hasn't changed! Slackeeers!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on October 14, 2009, 06:39:03 PM
CS5 take steps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKjs8ZjQNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BShE_jS8jLE

this is crazy
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 14, 2009, 06:54:30 PM
It will probably work as laggy as in the video
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 15, 2009, 01:23:45 AM
That's just sad...   who needs skillz ... just press the magic PS button... the pretty pic will draw its self... >.> *sighs*
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on October 15, 2009, 07:33:10 AM
What Kaetemi said, takes a good hour or so to rename everything, but you are able to translate everything from inside IllustStudio in the toolbars (using Google Translate or Babblefish imo Babblefish comes up with more logical terms xD).

On the other hand /tap @ Celsys that english page on thier site still hasn't changed! Slackeeers!

Thanks Coda and Kaetemi  :)

The J-E translation is going along nicely on the Tool labels.

First a small note: After applying the Majikkowand translated files,be sure to delete the prefs folder found in Documents. IIluststudio will build a new one on launch and carry a few translations over. An example of that is the Palm (hand) tool.

Then on the tool types,right-clicking on any one will get a context menu,and select "change the configuation information" to relabel them.

As an added bonus,you can rename most of the Layers labels: File menu > Preferences > Layer   There's a drop-down menu of the
Layer types,and clicking on the "ing initial value" button will let you rename most of them.  Whew!!  ;D

Then with all that done,it should be possible to switch your non-unicode settings back to your own language. IS will work,but you won't be looking at moonrunes for the most part.


Oh,I did see the IS page on the english site,but having to put EN support and purchasing up as well as a translated product,makes me think it'll be a long wait,and much longer if it's e-frontier.  ;D

(Meh...I might slag them for taking their time...but Manga Studio is probably not buggy)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: chibistef on October 18, 2009, 07:43:31 PM
eey guys i'm new and just installed the trial... i wondered...
how can i buy... or download a crack? i really want to keep it
=D or is there some way to not let the 'trial' expire?

thanks in advance >u<!!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on October 19, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
Has anyone emailed Celsys recently about the English version? Really want to use the new rulers and drawing aids of IllustStudio specially the ellipses, finally a program that has this stuff (not counting MangaStudio).
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on October 20, 2009, 10:59:43 AM
eey guys i'm new and just installed the trial... i wondered...
how can i buy... or download a crack? i really want to keep it
=D or is there some way to not let the 'trial' expire?

thanks in advance >u<!!

You can buy it for $68 at Celsys's online shop if you have a credit card or even PayPal's secure cards. You get a serial number and a link to the download version. Like Photoshop,they use an activation scheme. You must register at their online shop first to make the purchase.




Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: xocanin on October 25, 2009, 12:08:57 AM
Can anyone Help me? I keep getting this message when i try to install

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o133/justateenageromance/illusthelp.jpg)


I was getting the same error. Unzipping the files again with 7zip solved it. For some reason, the default Windows zip app thingy wasn't reading the Japanese file and directory names correctly, and was unzipping them to directories like ú^zzçp etc. 7zip did it just fine.

Guys, I'm in love. Can you tell me how to buy this thing? I'm seriously considering it but I'm not in Japan nor do I have access to a Japanese address. I get it that you just "forced" the forms but... what do you mean by that? I'm not comfortable entering false information (like a fake Japanese address or something). Is that what you mean, or what?

Also, is this only doable with a credit card or do (American) debit cards work?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on October 25, 2009, 05:19:14 AM
Quote
VISA, MASTER, AMERICAN EXPRESS, JCB, DINERS


And yea, soort of what we did.


The postcode is in format ###-####, so you can put for example zeros in the first three, and your postcode in the last four, like 000-1500.
You can leave the country on Japan.
Pick something random for province.
Then, in the second street address line, you can put the country there.
And as telephone number, just pick 00-0000-0000 or something.

Then, when you buy, pick the 5980 yen download version.

And i shall mention it again, if you follow this method it is on your own responsibility. You can just hold onn to your trial for now and w8 for the english version :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on October 25, 2009, 07:06:17 AM
I hope I'm not passing something on everyone knows, but just in case,1.0.9 is out,and the updater is here.

http://www.illuststudio.net/download/isupdater/index.html

You will have to do the "majikkowando" thing again.  :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: xocanin on October 26, 2009, 10:29:38 PM
Ah, too bad. I really don't want to do that. Guess I'll just keep using SAI for now and hope that they allow international purchases or release it in English at some point.

Thanks for the info, guys.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 27, 2009, 03:02:45 PM
fixed some perspective ruler translations
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on October 27, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
also fixed a bug on server that gave broken translations to first person requestion translation of a new version
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 02, 2009, 11:11:55 PM
It breaks my heart to link this (hell it is a cheapass program and it is awesome after all, but hey, Celsys should really quit the slackfest and publish that eng version and make it purchasable) ... but i guess this could be usefull in this case of the peeps who cannot buy this software...

Click (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Cracklock.shtml)

Yea, IT WORKS!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on November 03, 2009, 02:15:49 AM
The english version is still undecided, the english page for Illustudio is just for international presentation of the program.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 10, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
And another new version of the translation tool uploaded.
http://translate.kaetemi.be/client/translate_mw-0.4.zip

Quote
Majikkuwando v0.4 Client (2009-11-10 10:35 GMT)

Features
- Win32 menu resources can be translated

Known issues
- Problem with NicoMovieMaker translation data fails translation
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Herb_Montes on November 10, 2009, 08:27:57 PM
Thanks for all your hard work Katemi.  I had a chance to play around with some of the tools in the program.  To be honest I'm not too impressed with the vector tools.  They don't seem to have the same flexibility and ease of use as the ones in SAI.  I can draw and manipulate vectors in SAI quickly whereas in Illust/studio it requires going through several pop-up menus to make changes and adjustments.  My main use is for digital inking of my comics and I'm used to doing things quickly like in the old days when I used dip pens.  IllustStudio certainly looks like a killer graphics app and would be great to add to my stable of utilities.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 11, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
My main use is for digital inking of my comics and I'm used to doing things quickly like in the old days when I used dip pens.

Now this sounds kinda contraversial to me...
Hehe, ironic enough, Celsys inking tools /mechanics are the only ones that (for me... bleh bleh... ya know, Manga Studio = imperatrice  of  lineart software xD ) replicate the real inking nib to bits, guess it takes getting used to...  there is no real vector manipulation, ink away as if it was a real G-nib I'm holding, lol.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Herb_Montes on November 11, 2009, 10:55:40 PM
What I was referring to was how fast I could make changes to an ink line.  In the old days if I made a mistake inking, out would come the white paint.  I used to do a lot of digital inking with CorelDraw.  I have tried Manga Studio but found it lacking in some places.  SAI has what I need and is very capable for my immediate use.  If anything being able to ink digitally has made me produce more in less time.  IllustStudio does seem to have more bang for the buck and I'll make a final judgement when I work with it more.  I do like having the extra features that SAI does not have (text and vector shapes).  Also it seems the the trial serial number only works when I have an Internet connection.  Otherwise it tells me the license is expired.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 12, 2009, 01:04:16 AM
And another new version of the translation tool uploaded.
http://translate.kaetemi.be/client/translate_mw-0.4.zip


Hmmm... Jst out of curiousity... what changed? I come from running v4 on my IS ... and I have to be missing something... =/ cause... everything is still very bery much the same, well i would really like to know what to expect or where / whut is failing here with me.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 12, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
For the IllustStudio translation, nothing changed with 0.4, it's an update for translating other apps.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 13, 2009, 01:37:06 AM
What other apps can it translate??? O.o (Celsys ones i am guessing, Comic Studio and co? or anything else?)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 13, 2009, 04:02:32 AM
The nice thing about the translator is that you can change the non-unicode setting back to your own language after applying the translated files.

Sometimes a Japanese setting can change languages for other apps,such as the videocard menu or Apple software updates.

The 1.0.10 update will be out Nov 18th.  ;D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 13, 2009, 03:49:00 PM
What other apps can it translate??? O.o (Celsys ones i am guessing, Comic Studio and co? or anything else?)
Currently any Win32 MFC application compiled with Visual Studio.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Herb_Montes on November 13, 2009, 09:11:20 PM
The nice thing about the translator is that you can change the non-unicode setting back to your own language after applying the translated files.

Sometimes a Japanese setting can change languages for other apps,such as the videocard menu or Apple software updates.

The 1.0.10 update will be out Nov 18th.  ;D

I found that out myself when my file manager, Total Commander, looked weird.  The backward slash looked like the Yen symbol.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 14, 2009, 04:26:46 AM
I found that out myself when my file manager, Total Commander, looked weird.  The backward slash looked like the Yen symbol.

True,the yen sign is like the backslash here. That should not hurt anything. It's when installers and updaters for your other programs detect the Japanese setting and give you a Japanese language installer. I remember that happened with Google Earth and Apple's software updater.

I forgot Paint Tool Sai does not have a text tool,but I read somewhere that some cartoonists export into Adobe Illustrator for type. But I'm not sure how that works.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 14, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
I forgot Paint Tool Sai does not have a text tool,but I read somewhere that some cartoonists export into Adobe Illustrator for type. But I'm not sure how that works.

SAI gives you a save as/export (same thing really) option in PSD format, you can export it anywhere really :p, any app that supports PSD ( OpenCanvas, PS, Illustrator, GIMP,... etc) your personal choice really, Illustrator would get prio cuz it is a vector app, the amount of modifications to make on your type is countless +vector means your lines will always be crispy :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Herb_Montes on November 14, 2009, 08:08:32 PM
I usually export as a high res PNG to open in CorelDraw to add word balloons and text for my digital comics.  I have also imported special backgrounds and effects from other programs, such as the lightning effect in my Mary Marvel fanart done in Ulead Photoimpact.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 14, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
Doesn't PNG use LZW compression?
PSD is a Loseless compression + you get to keep all your layers, if it comes down to exporting comic pages (well for printing that is) i'd go with TIFF :p
But yet again, it is personal choice :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Herb_Montes on November 15, 2009, 12:57:55 AM
PNG is a lossless image file type.  The final ones that are posted at deviantART are Jpegs and that's because some people still have problems viewing PNGs with their browsers.  For digital comic printing I would go with Tiffs.  I always keep the original SAI file intact so I can export to whatever format I need.  I rarely use a PSD file since I do most of my layering in SAI.  PNG is just an intermediary step before the final published version.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 15, 2009, 11:08:09 AM
PNG is a lossless image file type.  The final ones that are posted at deviantART are Jpegs and that's because some people still have problems viewing PNGs with their browsers.  For digital comic printing I would go with Tiffs.  I always keep the original SAI file intact so I can export to whatever format I need.  I rarely use a PSD file since I do most of my layering in SAI.  PNG is just an intermediary step before the final published version.

I find jpg a nice all around format. I use a quality setting of 60 in Photoshop to keep artifacting at a minimum. I use Photoshop CS4 (photos,scanning) and stay with the native PSD format since I am not exhanging those files. PNG is lossless,hence free of artifacts. I think it shines as far as flat-color and line art goes,but jpeg is satisfactory if I use it properly.

Herb,I did not know some browsers had problems viewing pngs. Compatibility is a key consideration for me.

Gene (Just grabbed Gnix after the registration wizard rejected my name)  ;D

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
Guys, I've seen the IllustStudio translation and although you deserve many congratulations for the efforts, the translation itself is pretty poor, mostly machine translated especially where kanji and hiragana are used.
How can I contribute to improve it?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 15, 2009, 03:23:39 PM
Heya
Well, it is machine translated :p
From your suggestion i assume you master Japanese! Right?
Well:
If there's any translation that needs fixes, you can now suggest new translations.
Please use the following format:
Quote
  Wrong english translation 1
  Corrected english translation 1

  Wrong english trans 2
  Correct eng trans 2

etc :)

If you make a list, I can have a tool go trough that and put it on the translation cache server :)


You could make Kaetemi  a list :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 03:49:16 PM
Well, to be honest I do not know as much Japanese as a native (although I know grammar, kana and several hundred kanji), but I'm fairly confident that I can obtain better results than the current ones (of course, you deserve all credits for attempting and starting something like this). I also have experience with many raster image editing software and with terms usually associated with them.

I could start adding entries like you suggested, but the problem is that pretty much everything needs to be human retranslated, from what I've seen from both the machine-translated program, the original one in Japanese and the iswRes.dll file which contains the language data (most of it is in clear form, but simple manual editing won't work), so I was looking for a faster way/format for submitting corrections.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 15, 2009, 04:24:39 PM
Just submit a list with original text/wrong translation followed by corrected translation, and I'll put it in the translation cache database used by the translation tool.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 04:27:09 PM
I was going to make it this way. It seems faster and more efficient to me:
(iswRefJ.dll . I'm starting with menu entries, those which I haven't seen yet in the program, I have left untranslated)
Warning! This isn't final yet.

Code: [Select]
// 30000 ~ メニュー文字列
30000 "File(&F)"
30001 "New Project(&N)..."
30002 "作品(&S)..."
30003 "ページ(&P)..."
30004 "Open(&O)..."
30005 "Close(&C)"
30010 "Save(&S)"
30011 "すべて保存(&A)"
30012 "Save As(&V)..."
30013 "作品を別名で保存(&Y)..."
30014 "Restore(&T)..."
30015 "画像を別名で保存(&I)..."
30016 "連番ファイルの読み込み(&T)..."
30017 "画像の一括書き出し(&E)..."
30020 "テンプレートとして登録(&M)..."
30021 "素材の登録(&M)"
30023 "ページ(&P)"
30024 "コマ割り(&F)"
30025 "Layer(&L)"
30026 "この画像データを素材に登録(&I)"
30027 "選択中のレイヤーを素材に登録(&L)"
30030 "&2DLT..."
30031 "&3Dファイル..."
30032 ".xpg (&IllustStudio Document)..."
30033 ".cpg (&ComicStudio4 Page File)..."
30034 ".bmp (&BMP)..."
30035 ".jpg (&JPEG)..."
30036 ".png (&PNG)..."
30037 ".psd (P&hotoshop)..."
30038 ".tif (&TIFF)..."
30039 ".tga (T&arga)..."
30040 "Acquire(&R)"
30041 "Page File(&P)..."
30042 "Layer File(&L)..."
30043 "Image File(&F)..."
30044 "Photoshop File(&H)..."
30045 "Text File(&X)..."
30046 "Scan(&T)..."
30047 "Select Scanning Device(&W)..."
30048 "Batch Scan(&A)..."
30049 "Scan and Create New Project(&N)..."
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 05:40:32 PM
I think I've underestimated this translation task.
There's an enormous amount of text to translate and not all of it applies to IllustStudio!

EDIT:
this was what I translated at the time I wrote this post... only the File and the Edit menus so far. Doesn't it feel a bit more natural and conforming to industry-standard english terms? It takes a lot of time to do it properly though :-\

(again, I translated only actual entries on IllustStudio)
Code: [Select]
// 30000 ~ メニュー文字列
30000 "File(&F)"
30001 "New Project(&N)..."
30002 "作品(&S)..."
30003 "ページ(&P)..."
30004 "Open(&O)..."
30005 "Close(&C)"
30010 "Save(&S)"
30011 "すべて保存(&A)"
30012 "Save As(&V)..."
30013 "作品を別名で保存(&Y)..."
30014 "Restore(&T)..."
30015 "画像を別名で保存(&I)..."
30016 "連番ファイルの読み込み(&T)..."
30017 "画像の一括書き出し(&E)..."
30020 "テンプレートとして登録(&M)..."
30021 "素材の登録(&M)"
30023 "ページ(&P)"
30024 "コマ割り(&F)"
30025 "Layer(&L)"
30026 "この画像データを素材に登録(&I)"
30027 "選択中のレイヤーを素材に登録(&L)"
30030 "&2DLT..."
30031 "&3D File..."
30032 ".xpg (&IllustStudio Document)..."
30033 ".cpg (&ComicStudio4 Page File)..."
30034 ".bmp (&BMP)..."
30035 ".jpg (&JPEG)..."
30036 ".png (&PNG)..."
30037 ".psd (P&hotoshop)..."
30038 ".tif (&TIFF)..."
30039 ".tga (T&arga)..."
30040 "Import(&R)"
30041 "Page File(&P)..."
30042 "Layer File(&L)..."
30043 "Image File(&F)..."
30044 "Photoshop File(&H)..."
30045 "Text File(&X)..."
30046 "Scan(&T)..."
30047 "Select Scanning Device(&W)..."
30048 "Batch Scan(&A)..."
30049 "Scan and Create New Project(&N)..."
30050 "書き出し(&W)"
30051 "画像ファイル(ピクセル指定)(&P)..."
30052 "画像ファイル(寸法指定)(&S)..."
30053 "作品アップロード用データ(&D)..."
30054 "同人印刷所入稿用データ(&N)..."
30055 "テキストファイル(&T)..."
30060 "Page Settings(&U)..."
30061 "Print Settings(&D)..."
30062 "Print(&P)..."
30070 "Environment Settings(&E)..."
30071 "Shortcut Settings(&H)..."
30072 "Customize Tool Palette(&Z)..."
30073 "Customize(&Z)"
30074 "Customize Toolbars(&T)..."
30075 "ツール補助操作の設定(&M)..."
30080 "最近使ったファイル(&F)"
30084 "製品版形式で保存(&U)..."
30085 "指定の形式で保存(&W)"
30090 "Quit(&Q)"
30091 "複数レイヤーファイル(&M)..."
30092 "作品アップロード用データのアップロード(&G)..."
30093 "コンビニプリント用データのアップロード(&X)..."
30094 "画像ファイルの書き出し(&P)..."
30095 "CLIPリリースで作品を公開する(&L)..."
30096 "CLIPプリントで作品を印刷する(&X)..."
30097 "設定を正規バージョンへエクスポート(&E)..."
30098 "Touchpad Management Settings(&M)..."
30099 "Enable Touchpad Management(&P)"

30100 "Edit(&E)"
30101 "Undo(&U)"
30102 "Undo %s(&U)"
30103 "Can't Undo(&U)"
30104 "Redo(&R)"
30105 "Redo %s(&R)"
30106 "Can't Redo(&R)"
30107 "Cut(&T)"
30108 "Copy(&C)"
30109 "Paste(&P)"
30110 "White to Alpha and Paste(&S)"
30111 "Clear(&L)"
30112 "Fill(Detail)(&F)..."
30113 "Fill(&F)"
30114 "Stroke Selection(&G)..."
30115 "Move and Transform(&N)"
30116 "Shrink/Enlarge(&S)..."
30117 "Rotate(&R)..."
30118 "Free Transform(&D)..."
30119 "Distort(&K)..."
30120 "Perspective(&P)..."
30121 "Flip Horizontally(&H)..."
30122 "Flip Vertically(&V)..."
30123 "Add Image to Pattern Tone Resources(&E)..."
30124 "パターンをフキダシ素材に登録(&F)..."
30125 "Add Image to Brush Resources(&H)..."
30126 "トンボを合わせる(&M)..."
30127 "トンボを離す(&P)"
30128 "Tone Distortion(&D)"
30129 "Local Distortion(&E)..."
30130 "Clear(&C)"
30131 "Shrink/Enlarge(&S)..."
30132 "Clear Outside the Selection(&O)"
30133 "Color to Opacity and Paste(&A)"
30134 "他のアプリケーションにコピー(&B)"
30135 "Mesh Transform(&M)..."
30136 "Rotate(&R)..."
30137 "Free Transform(&D)..."
30138 "Distort(&K)..."
30139 "Perspective(&P)..."
30140 "Flip Horizontally(&H)..."
30141 "Flip Vertically(&V)..."
30142 "Move and Transform"
30143 "変形トーンゆがみ"
30144 "ゆがみのぼかし(&B)..."
30145 "Mesh Transform(&M)..."
30146 "パターンをキャラクター素材に登録(&C)..."
30147 "線の色を描画色に変更(&I)"
30148 "登録"
30149 "画面の色を取得(&X)"
30150 "最小化して画面の色を取得(&Z)"
30151 "レイヤーを選択(&Y)"
30152 "Add Pattern"
30153   "Change Canvas Size(&W)..."
//IllustStudioで追加
30154 "Copy Special(&Y)"
30155 "特殊な描画(&A)"
30156 "Change Canvas Resolution(&E)..."
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 15, 2009, 07:05:37 PM
I think I've underestimated this translation task.
There's 6543 unique sentences in IllustStudio 1.0.9.
Would probably take at least two working weeks to translate that manually.

Also, why are you removing spaces before opening ()?
And since you're going about standards too, you can do &File instead of File (&F).
The & needs to be before the shortkey character.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 07:11:56 PM
There's 6543 unique sentences in IllustStudio 1.0.9.
Are you talking about all the text entries found in the dll files in the Tool folder or only those pertaining to IllustStudio?
Knowing what is IllustStudio-only text would be very helpful!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 15, 2009, 07:12:42 PM
Are you talking about all the text entries found in the dll files in the Tool folder or only those pertaining to IllustStudio?
Knowing what is IllustStudio-only text would be very helpful!
All the text entries.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 15, 2009, 07:20:19 PM
I didn't remove any space as there was none to begin with in the japanese text. I could add spaces if necessary.
I think it looks more standardized with spaces.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
Forgot to add:

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Would probably take at least two working weeks to translate that manually.
Yes, I see this task taking a lot of time.
I can see why often translated versions end up being more expensive than the original ones (I still don't accept though that they can end up being much more expensive).

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Also, why are you removing spaces before opening ()?
I didn't remove any space as there was none to begin with in the japanese text. I could add spaces if necessary.

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And since you're going about standards too, you can do &File instead of File (&F).
The & needs to be before the shortkey character.
I thought of that, but many shortkeys don't match (many seem pretty random) or match only with part of the original japanese text (for example ぼかし - /bokashi/ : shortkey: B . Meaning = gradient, shading), so I decided to leave them alone.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 07:26:16 PM
I think it looks more standardized with spaces.

You're probably right, but keep in mind that I don't have any easy way to check out the results on the program, as if I manually edit the dll file then the program won't load. Checking out the results directly in IllustStudio would also help a lot the translation progress. It's often necessary to verify that translations are not only correct per se, but also fit the context and look good.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 15, 2009, 07:43:01 PM
Oooh mai ... you 2 seem to be really on it!  :D

I am dying out of the curiousity for the result!!!
(Well, wonderring if i could contribute, but hell i  m a zero in programming and my Japanese is poor xD ... whut if i just get you virtual cakes/cookies? ;) )
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
Not to demoralize you, but please don't expect anything complete soon ... as you can see, manually translating, checking and verifying just the entries for two menus already takes a lot of time, not to mention mentally tiring. Also I'm not working full time on it!

By the way, yesterday I sent a mail to Celsys asking about an international english version of IllustStudio (if and when it will be released, etc)... It might not be useful, but probably if they see that there's much interest they might release one sooner than we'd expect.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 15, 2009, 08:01:08 PM
BAM!
Here i come again...and i have a problem... IS seems to crush when i try to save an art work with multiple layers, with diffrent resolution, ( linework / shades @300DPI; Background @150DPI and @75DPI)
Any idea what may be causing it? And how i could fix it? (besides the idea of using same resolution for all layers ofc)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 15, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
Not to demoralize you, but please don't expect anything complete soon ... as you can see, manually translating, checking and verifying just the entries for two menus already takes a lot of time, not to mention mentally tiring. Also I'm not working full time on it!

By the way, yesterday I sent a mail to Celsys asking about an international english version of IllustStudio (if and when it will be released, etc)... It might not be useful, but probably if they see that there's much interest they might release one sooner than we'd expect.

Haha, i know dear :p, i am just trying to keep your enthousiasm alive  ;) ( passes a cookie, all fresh, just recieved whole pack from my friends on the Dark Side)
Well, we have sent them mails before, couple of months ago, can send them an other one, sure, even tho i have this feeling that they are waiting on Portalgraphics to comepletely shot down english support on Open Canvas or something, and  some stable version, since they have been updating IS ridiculously often, we went pratically from 1.0.6 to 1.0.10 in what, 3 months?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 08:18:58 PM
BAM!
Here i come again...and i have a problem... IS seems to crush when i try to save an art work with multiple layers, with diffrent resolution, ( linework / shades @300DPI; Background @150DPI and @75DPI)
Any idea what may be causing it? And how i could fix it? (besides the idea of using same resolution for all layers ofc)

Speaking of your problem, I don't think you're supposed to be able to work with layers with different resolutions... this must be a bug.

Quote
Haha, i know dear :p, i am just trying to keep your enthousiasm alive  Wink ( passes a cookie, all fresh, just recieved whole pack from my friends on the Dark Side)
Well, we have sent them mails before, couple of months ago, can send them an other one, sure, even tho i have this feeling that they are waiting on Portalgraphics to comepletely shot down english support on Open Canvas or something, and  some stable version, since they have been updating IS ridiculously often, we went pratically from 1.0.6 to 1.0.10 in what, 3 months?

Yes, they're probably still working hard on the japanese version, I don't see them focusing on an english one just yet.
I don't think they care that much about the external market though. Most people in the western world go either for Photoshop (which is completely NOT suited for illustration, and it's damn expensive) or Painter (too much focus on media realism, outdated program, still too much expensive for most users). There's not much market for japanese illustration software like IS.

By the way, the most complete programs for this are as of now:
IllustStudio (the newest and probably the best except in some areas)
OpenCanvas (which from what I gather is rather popular in Japan)
Paint Tool SAI (not much updated anymore, lacks many important features, but it's very easy to use, has great vector layers and stroke smoothing)

Is there anything else on the market worth to mention?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 15, 2009, 08:23:50 PM
It is not a bug, just exchanged Translated Tool folder with Original one, and went through with the save flowlessly, back with translated folder it crushes again... Guess i'll stick to 300DPI for now...
 

And to anwser your question) yes:

>>> Oakaki! (ROFL)<<<

* GIMP (which is totally free)
* ArtRage ( which is wannabe Painter Crap): ~50/60 €
* Autodesk SketchBook Pro ( is good, damn good even, has in some places inspired Celsys on IS imo, but SB has issues and is SKETCH software, neat end result is tricky to achieve):~100€
* Corel Sketchpad ( ArtRage lookalike, is ok, but still kinda crap...) : ~50ish€ again.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on November 15, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
ArtRage 2.5 is 25€, ArtRage 3 which is coming out soon will cost more but they claim it will have a newly redesigned interface and better tools, will see...

To me IllustStudio and SAI are still the best, I have no clue what's up with SAI and it's lacks of updates, just hope he hasn't lost the source code or something like that.


4th paint will hit v1.00 soon and Nekopaint is also shaping up nicely.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: s12a on November 15, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
4th paint will hit v1.00 soon and Nekopaint is also shaping up nicely.

4th Paint is now called 4paint (Yotsuba Paint). I tried a few minutes ago the last version (0.99) and from what I see it's very good although it's also very simple. It makes very high quality lines, and has all the essential functions for tablet drawing. I can see it competing with SAI in the mid term future.

There is lack of western software that is simple like specialised japanese ones, yet great for lineart illustration and coloring. Most of those painting/sketching western programs (even those previously listed) focus on "realism" of painting with real media than fulfilling the real needs of lineart artists and are often filled with bloat (for example interfaces that may be appealing to children or people who have never used a pc before, but not real artists who want to get the work done quickly and efficiently).
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on November 16, 2009, 01:56:24 PM
4th Paint is now called 4paint (Yotsuba Paint). I tried a few minutes ago the last version (0.99) and from what I see it's very good although it's also very simple. It makes very high quality lines, and has all the essential functions for tablet drawing. I can see it competing with SAI in the mid term future.

There is lack of western software that is simple like specialised japanese ones, yet great for lineart illustration and coloring. Most of those painting/sketching western programs (even those previously listed) focus on "realism" of painting with real media than fulfilling the real needs of lineart artists and are often filled with bloat (for example interfaces that may be appealing to children or people who have never used a pc before, but not real artists who want to get the work done quickly and efficiently).

Completely agree, thankfully Celsys thought about digital drawing aids, the perspective tool and 3D layout are incredible but what I like the most are the rulers they added on the last update, you can now draw an ellipse and it will always respect the vanishing point!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 17, 2009, 06:40:11 AM
Btw,do all the files in Illuststudio's Tool folder need to be run through Majikkowando? I don't want to mess up the program modifying files that I should not.

And are there files in other folders that should be run through the translation tool?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 17, 2009, 09:44:43 AM
Technically only iswResJ.dll, maybe some others too depending on your needs.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 18, 2009, 07:37:12 PM
Thanks. I just converted iswResJ.dll for the 1.0.10 upgrade. It took over an hour for Majikkowando to do this.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on November 18, 2009, 09:57:32 PM
Possible that it takes a while if you're the first, cause the server can't predict a translation cache yet for a version that hasn't been translated yet before.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 19, 2009, 12:57:16 AM
That explains it. I thought it was Windows 7.Well someone has to go first.

Thanks for your time and effort in coding this,Kaetemi.  :)

Edit: Second pass this evening took one minute.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Brera on November 19, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
Well hello guys!
I'm totally new to this board (just registered a few seconds ago^^) and this thread seem really interesting!^^

I've read the whole thread (yes, every single post) and I still have a question   ???

My Computer runs on Windows 7.
I have read that I have to change my machines language to japanese to install that program.
But can I change the language back to German after I've installed the program successfully?

At the moment I'm testing the trial version of SAI (that's how I found this board^^) and just tripped over this interestin thread.
This is what I want to do with the program:
http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr314/Kyarra_PP/Evelon/?action=view&current=AzuraRayume.png#
http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr314/Kyarra_PP/Evelon/?action=view&current=Rabid.png
(I'm still improving my skills^^)

Thank you in advance for any information :D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 19, 2009, 08:19:50 PM
Heya,

Well, you have read the WHOLE thread...  ??? (rly? like rly rly?? And you have this question? :P hmmm, smells like a lie, anyways...)

1) You do not have to change your machine's  language (as reinstall windows in Japanese or anything), only language for non-unicode programs
, pretty much everything except the backslash ( \ ) sign will stay the same, that is if your Windows is in German, it will remain in German.

2)Yes, after installation you can set it back to German. And i am going to mention it straight away, you gotto run Majokkuwando first, plus, translationn doen't apply to your tools (brushes, pensils, lassos, etc,..) nor users prefferences folder,  you have  to translate / reassign those manually (your own lil self). Make sure you 've doen that before setting your language back to German.

Hope this made it clear. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Brera on November 20, 2009, 03:16:24 PM
I can't remember every single sentence  :P

But thank you for your answer.
I just saw your tutorial how to use Majokkuwando. I think I will give it a try during my holiday in december^^

 ;D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 20, 2009, 11:41:26 PM
On a related note,Celsys will be closing their online shop on Dec 21st. If you have not purchased the download version of IllustStudio yet,this may be your best chance. Celsys does accept overseas credit card purchases. I'm not sure other Japanese online vendors will.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: tmart79 on November 23, 2009, 10:13:26 PM
On a related note,Celsys will be closing their online shop on Dec 21st. If you have not purchased the download version of IllustStudio yet,this may be your best chance. Celsys does accept overseas credit card purchases. I'm not sure other Japanese online vendors will.

Are you sure about that??
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 23, 2009, 10:34:26 PM
What part of that?
Yes, Celsys will be closing thier online shop on dec 21, that is official.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: tmart79 on November 24, 2009, 08:09:01 PM
What part of that?
Yes, Celsys will be closing thier online shop on dec 21, that is official.
  Thanks, that means i need to get my copy Asap :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 24, 2009, 09:52:19 PM
Mai mai maaaaai! It is shocking how fast Celsys is improving IS: take a look at 1.1.0 RC  (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.illuststudio.net/news/support/20091124/20091124_1500.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DIllust%2BStudio%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhga3_BMw1PRTuick9EGQfEl1jWmjw)

Me likes all the synth mode/ paper tex preview :D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Stazi on November 27, 2009, 04:32:31 AM
I've tried and tried to purchase this software through the download on the official website, but EVERY time I put in my credit card information on the final step of purchasing it, it gives me a error message stating that it is not able to accept it. I'm just curious as to how you guys got the software of IllustStudio, and does the company accept credit cards outside of Japan? (like in the United States)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: lozeta on November 27, 2009, 12:08:17 PM
Celsys will be closing thier online shop on dec 21, that is official.

Can anyone explain the reason? What will happen after? Who will sell IllustStudio after that day?
And what about the english version, which is already planned?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 27, 2009, 09:57:01 PM
I've tried and tried to purchase this software through the download on the official website, but EVERY time I put in my credit card information on the final step of purchasing it, it gives me a error message stating that it is not able to accept it. I'm just curious as to how you guys got the software of IllustStudio, and does the company accept credit cards outside of Japan? (like in the United States)
My Belgian Master Card did just fine. ???

Can anyone explain the reason?
NO idea, they don't really give any particular reason. *points @ Celsys* ask them.

What will happen after?
>.> what will happen after... an invasion of purple space monkeys will take place!

Who will sell IllustStudio after that day?
There are plenty resellers already: Take a look (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.illuststudio.net/promotion/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DIllust%2BStudio%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhglA41DuUobELR64XG19mwtk5CxTA)

And what about the english version, which is already planned?
No information has been released on that matter, mail them ask them, Celsys is the only one that knows.


Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 28, 2009, 10:45:51 AM
I've tried and tried to purchase this software through the download on the official website, but EVERY time I put in my credit card information on the final step of purchasing it, it gives me a error message stating that it is not able to accept it. I'm just curious as to how you guys got the software of IllustStudio, and does the company accept credit cards outside of Japan? (like in the United States)

I've gotten my copy using Visa card from my location in the US. Maybe the card number must be entered with no spaces or dashes. Also your billing address is what is needed. Try First name-Last Name also.

Gnix  ;D
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Stazi on November 28, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
Thanks for the advice! However I only have a MasterCard...I've tried to enter the card number with no spaces or dashes...and I've entered the name correctly, but it still won't accept it.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on November 29, 2009, 12:07:36 AM
Thanks for the advice! However I only have a MasterCard...I've tried to enter the card number with no spaces or dashes...and I've entered the name correctly, but it still won't accept it.

I'm assuming you registered with Celsys already.

If you can link to a screenshot of the form (minus your personal info) it might be easier to see what is going on. If you are registered with Celsys,your registration info should match. They probably want to be sure you own that card.

As a last resort,email Celsys shop support and ask.

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: parfhelbelia on November 29, 2009, 04:10:13 PM
noes ! =[]=
I didn't get my allowance for November and now I don't have enough to buy one.
These guys take many steps farther than adobe.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on November 29, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
>.< Take a loan from some friend, ... i dunno ... 6k Yen isn't that much!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Bakamoichigei on December 12, 2009, 08:49:02 PM
Just thought you folks might want to know, you don't have to BS your way through the Celsys ordering system.

I've done this before countless times, signing up for sites, MMOs, buying things, etc.  Maybe they did something to Celsys Direct since you ordered your copy, but when I tried they just didn't want any of my dirty gaijin money, heh.  Tried three paypal secure card numbers, my real debit card... Nothing.

On a lark, I checked out that reseller they list on the product page.  (I was pretty sure I wasn't going to have any MORE luck with their 'random Japanese reseller', but it was worth a shot.)

Their 'random Japanese reseller', Vector Shop, accepts damn near every known form of credit card, direct bank transfer, cash at most Japanese convenience store chains, Yahoo wallet....and PAYPAL.

I didn't even have to make a login for their store or put my address.  Just "What e-mail do you want this sent to?" and "Okay, click here to pay with paypal." and within 5 minutes I had the serial number and a download link.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on December 14, 2009, 01:30:05 PM
Must be new to the list of resellers then, cause back when I bought it, only CELSYS DIRECT made it available for download, and all the resellers sold box copies inside Japan only.
Linky btw http://shop.vector.co.jp/service/catalogue/illuststudio/
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Bakamoichigei on December 15, 2009, 12:05:04 AM
Must be new to the list of resellers then, cause back when I bought it, only CELSYS DIRECT made it available for download, and all the resellers sold box copies inside Japan only.

Probably.  I don't remember any resellers listed on the download version page when I first looked at IS.  (And thanks for the link, I probably should have done that, lol)

I was originally trying to find a cheap middleman to get the boxed version off Amazon...since it cost as much as the download version from Celsys.  Amazon.co.jp really needs to work on their export policies.  I can buy manga that would probably be classified as child pornography here and get me thrown in the FBI partyvan, but I can't buy a piece of software, a game, or a figure.

What really bowled me over was that they took Paypal, I can't think of any other Japanese site I've seen that takes paypal, and I've always thought that was bizarre.

If anyone's curious, the download version I got was like 250 megs, and it contained the same zip you get when you DL the trial (IS_10x_app.zip, in this case 102), a zip with sample files (Some are great, but I'd say it's not as good a selection as the ComicStudio 4 sample CD), and a zip with the PDF manuals.  (Which make up most of the size difference.)  There aren't any additional 3D objects or materials, which was a bit of a let-down, but I have all the 3DLT objects from CSEX4, _and_ just happen to be a deft hand at modeling in Lightwave anyway.  Of course, there being no difference between the trial package and the full version, it meant all I had to do was plug my serial into the copy of 1.0.10 I already had installed.

Now, if only I could draw...   At this rate, I'm going to lose custody of my Cintiq for neglect...  ^^;  PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on December 25, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
illuststudio/clipstudio websites down? :/
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on December 25, 2009, 04:45:22 PM
isn't loading here either... wonder why...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Zulee on December 25, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
Apparently the ClipStudio/IllustStudio page has now been restricted ONLY to residents in Japan. To see the page, you need to use a proxy. Here's a LJ post about it, read the comments: http://lovelessinma.livejournal.com/325405.html
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on December 25, 2009, 08:21:39 PM
*Raises hand* I'm the one who posted that entry.

Even though I can access Clip-Studio through this Proxy (http://www.ijapan.org/blue), I cannot download materials properly. It only allows me to download the latest single material added and it won't even let me go past the first page of updated contents.

I sent this e-mail to Celsys today:
--------------------------------------
初めまして、
インマと申します。
 
スペイン人ですが、日本のお友だちに払え、9月で私のためにIllustStudioを買いました。 とてもすごいソフトで、9月からIllustStudioやClip-studioのマテリアルサービスを楽しめました。
しかし、最近はilluststudio.netやclip-studio.comにアクセスすることが出来ません。 日本にいますお友だちはアクセスすることが出来ますけど、私や日本に住みません人々にはアクセス禁止しました。
どうしてでしょうか。 日本に住みませんけど、私もこのソフトを買いました。 日本に住みませんから権利を持っていませんか。
 
どうか教えてください。
 
それでは、失礼たしました。
 
インマ
------------------------------------

To make it short, I explained I bought the program thanks to a friend (Crescent *cough*) and that now noone from outside Japan can access the site, and I ask them if we have no rights just because we don't live in Japan when we paid for their software.

Let's see what they reply...  It is really awful that they're doing this, they lack respect for their customers.
If I receive a reply, I'll post about it here.

Meanwhile, the Proxy server will at least allow you to download the latest Illust Studio upgrade.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Zulee on December 26, 2009, 01:25:21 AM
I'm sorry I didn't credit you for the entry, miss Inma. I just thought, since it was your personal journal, it was obvious. But thank you so much for taking the time for posting it and also for your email to Celsys. Any help is great help and I appreciate it!

I'm no expert on this, so, please take it with a grain of salt. This isn't the first case of Japanese companies keeping profits within in their own borders. Usually in other countries you normally only see big names of Japanese products, and while many can't understand the mindset behind this, because they would definitely make a killing with the new software in particular, I guess it's just keep everything in one place. Celsys is one of the few large scale and professional software companies that actually has any bearing in the Western world (I mean, Sai is lovely and it's widely distributed, but it was done by an individual.) in terms of artistic software. Think about it, Comicworks MAX 2 has YET to be released in English, if at all, and it's been out for a few years now. And the English Portal Graphics website for the OpenCanvas program had also been shut down, and now just recently has it been put back up after site renovating with the userbase feeling just as worried for its termination of English support altogether since you couldn't buy it then either. (Although Deleter sells both Comicworks and OpenCanvas/CG Illust as well...)

Basically, what I'm saying is, I don't think it's so much a lack of care with customers, but more of just keeping everything organized and under control, tracking money, tracking who gets the software, etc. It doesn't help that IllustStudio, made specifically for Japanese users as of this moment is being bought by other people around the world when it's quite clear that was not their initial intention through their system of buying, especially since people have been faking addresses just to get it. Yes, they have our money, what company wouldn't want to profit from that? I say, until they give you a response, try to rest your fears and give Celsys some time to adjust.

Like I said, Celsys software is usually translated. You can find versions of MangaStudio and Retas!Pro in English, the first being acquired by eFrontier and now by SmithMicro and the latter is available on the English Celsys website. There is a high chance that IllustStudio will be ready for Westerners if we have some patience and try to understand from their point of view.

IllustStudio has only been out for half a year, and MangaStudio 4 English version didn't come out until at least a year after the release even though it had been promised earlier. They need time to find someone to buy their program and a group to translate and distribute and also fix any bugs in its first release. I can already tell, as much as I love the program, that because of it's resources and high end functions that it's bogging it's system and IllustStudio is quite slow as a result. It's difficult using a brush size passed 100 pixels without lag, as well as large scale images of higher dpi/ppi, and like Sai it has that horrible 10000x10000 pixel limit, to name a few things. The first versions are always like full scale betas.

I also mean this for the materials. If there is an English translation of IllustStudio, you would get the same materials. But I do think the Japanese site will open up again, so, we'll see what Celsys has to say.

Anyway, with you, I'm hoping it's available once again.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on December 26, 2009, 01:34:16 AM
1.1.0 direct link in case anyone needs
http://dl.clip-studio.com/clipcontent/lib/illuststudio/isdownload/istrial/data/100/IS_110_app.zip
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on December 26, 2009, 02:11:55 AM
December 11, 2009
CELSYS Corporation
Notice of executive personnel changes and organizational changes

related?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on December 26, 2009, 03:05:10 AM
I'm sorry I didn't credit you for the entry, miss Inma. I just thought, since it was your personal journal, it was obvious.

I'm so sorry if I sounded like I was requiring credit! I just joined this forum today because of this issue and was just finding a way to introduce myself, you did absolutely nothing wrong.

It'd be nice if Illust Studio came out in English and all, but my experience with Manga Studio tells me that if it does, we will get no updates nor extra material from the English website.
Manga Studio never got any of the updates the Japanese Comic Studio did, and thus we're missing stuff such as being able to import brushes (I had to download the Japanese trial in order to import those brushes into my English Manga Studio).
I fear it's the same that will happen to Illust Studio. They'll probably translate what's done up to the date they pick it up and leave it like that forever (unless it's a very special company that cares loads about their users ;;; ).
Same goes for Retas Studio. While it was translated, you still have to buy it for over 3000 dollars in English while it costs only around 200 in Japanese after they launched the new pack.

I hope Celsys will give a satisfactory reply. We could access their site before and enjoy the materials like everyone else who paid for the program, why would they slap us in the face now?
As soon as I receive an answer, I'll post it here. I'm pretty sure it'll take long though, because it's Christmas and then New Year, so they might be on holidays.

December 11, 2009
CELSYS Corporation
Notice of executive personnel changes and organizational changes

related?

Ugh... Something tells me "yes", but I hope it's not.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 26, 2009, 04:43:18 AM
comicstudio.net is not region restricted,so perhaps this is temporary until they finish renovating both the IS and ClipStudio websites?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on December 26, 2009, 01:26:38 PM
I received a reply from Celsys.

To sum it up, they told me they restricted both Illust Studio and Clip-Studio for Japanese people only because they have no intention of releasing that software and/or services out of Japan, so we should understand their decision.

I'm really disappointed... What a ridiculous policy in a globalization world.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: tmart79 on December 26, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
I hate to say this, but now somebody needs to crack this software, i was willing to pay for it as i did for Sai, but they said they won't take my money unless i was Japanese or living in Japan.
This really sucks, if anybody is willing to sell me their serial #, i'm willing to pay for it.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Inma R. on December 26, 2009, 04:06:11 PM
I hate to say this, but now somebody needs to crack this software, i was willing to pay for it as i did for Sai, but they said they won't take my money unless i was Japanese or living in Japan.

If you're willing to pay for the program in spite of Celsys's ridiculous international policy, you could buy it from some auction through Crescent. Their fees for auctions are not that bad, and some stores sell brand-new stuff through Yahoo Auction, you'd get a brand-new program (this is how I bought it too).
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Zulee on December 27, 2009, 01:41:33 AM
=_______= Yeah, just like I thought. *sigh* I'm surprised Celsys of all companies is doing this though...

Inma, did they give you a reason why they are keeping it within Japanese borders? Is it because they are making enough money as is and don't want to branch out? You should also mention to them, that because you've purchased it among others who you know who had to use Crescent or fake addresses, so regardless, people out of Japan are getting it and deserve the same right.

If only we could get the consumers of Japan to agree with us and help. *sigh*

Thank you for sending an email, though, at least we have an official response.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on December 27, 2009, 01:56:48 AM
Ok
... Well... this isn't the end of the world...
All we need now is some nice Japanese peeps who are kind enough to pass the version updates to us, so that we can stick it on some acessible server... or is this illigal?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on December 27, 2009, 02:12:03 AM
I'm copy-pasting the e-mail they sent me in case anyone wants to read by themselves (though it's all in Japanese, but you can use translators):

上記の件についてですが、現在弊社では、海外からの不正なアクセスを遮断
するため、

IllustStudio公式サイト:http://www.illuststudio.net/
CLIP Web:http://www.clip-studio.com/

につきましては、日本国内からのアクセスのみに制限をさせていただいて
おります。

また、弊社の「IllustStudio」及び「CLIP Web」は現在は国外向けのサービス
を提供する予定はありません。
アプリケーションにつきましても、国外での使用はサポート対象外となって
おります。

ご利用のお客様にはご迷惑をおかけいたしますが、何卒ご理解賜りますよう
お願い申し上げます。

ご質問に関する回答は以上となります。
その他、何かご不明な点・ご質問などございましたらご連絡をいただければ
幸いです。
 
メールにて恐縮ですが、取り急ぎお知らせ申し上げます。
---------------------------------

They didn't explain why they're not releasing the program in English, they only told me they don't intend to.

As for Clip-studio, with the web proxy I provided we can get the new IS updates (for now), but no extra materials, for some reason.

Maybe someone can find a proxy that works fine with that site so that we can still access through it? I'm been doing some research, but couldn't find anything (and I know very little of these things).
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on December 27, 2009, 02:48:59 AM
Ok, sorry for double-posting, but I found a way to download the new materials as they are updated.
Here's a tutorial:

To download Illust Studio upgrades.
1) Go to this proxy: http://www.ijapan.org/blue
2) Enter clip-studio url.
3) Log in and go to tools service to download the latest patch available.

To download materials from Clip-Studio.
1) Go to this proxy: http://www.ijapan.org/blue
2) Enter clip-studio url.
3) Log in and go to Material service.
4) Quickly double click on one of the items (first one, for example) for a sample window to pop up.
5) If you like that tone/brush/whatever, you have the download buton at the bottom.
6) To move to next material item within the pop-up window, check the the url that appears in the proxy bar, you'll see the last part is a number:
(http://www.golden-nights.com/extra/clipstudio.jpg)
If you want to go to the material that was on the left to that one, raise the number by one (ex: 4248). If you want to check the tone that was on the right, it'd be one number down (ex: 4246).

This allowed me to check all new materials that were added in the latest update, but it didn't let me go further into past updated materials. Maybe each batch of materials has a special code/number, I don't know. If you check every week you should have no problem getting them all though.

I hope I was of help!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 27, 2009, 04:49:19 AM
Very good,Inma  :D

It works best for me from Safari browser.

Sad that Celsys wants to do things that way...it is like doujinshi shops in Japan that won't even allow third party shippers to buy their product. I guess they were tired of fielding questions from overseas enthusiasts.

I have a nifty FireFox add-on that allow translation by highlighting what you want translated,not only Japanese but other languages. It's called Inline Translator 0.6

Finally if anyone still wants an IS license,the Vector online shop will take PayPal according to post #273 in this thread and without the need for registration hacking.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 27, 2009, 07:06:26 AM
I collected some 20 patterns from ClipStudio before the lockout. The names have been translated and you can then use then either under the Japanese,English or whatever non-unicode locale of Windows you chose. If the file numbers I assigned are a problem,just rename them.

Get them here. http://rapidshare.com/files/326388154/IS_Patterns.zip.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/326388154/IS_Patterns.zip.html)

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on December 27, 2009, 01:39:58 PM
Can't acess the proxi:

Quote
The access to this site from ?? is prohibited
Powered by glype.
This copy of glype proxy is running without a credit link or license to remove the credit link.
Please buy a license from glype.com or return the credit link to the template.

Am i doing something wrong???
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on December 27, 2009, 03:26:59 PM
Can't acess the proxi:

Am i doing something wrong???

I don't know, it's not happening to me o_O;  Try on a different browser?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on December 28, 2009, 12:51:00 AM
What other apps can it translate??? O.o (Celsys ones i am guessing, Comic Studio and co? or anything else?)
Currently any Win32 MFC application compiled with Visual Studio.

Also translatable with Majikkuwando:
KAWAI スコアプレーヤーFX
Comiket 77 Catalog Browser
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 28, 2009, 01:55:44 AM
Majikkowando for some reason cannot translate Comic Studio's cswres.dll file (that's probably the file that has the menu and dialog titles)

I get this error: The DPI start tag on line 103620 does not match the end tag of 'Sentence'. Line 103620 position 20

I wonder if anyone else has that problem?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 28, 2009, 02:18:08 AM
Can't acess the proxi:

Am i doing something wrong???

Try japaneseproxy.info or from this list. http://www.azproxies.com/proxy-lists/jp-web-proxies.html (http://www.azproxies.com/proxy-lists/jp-web-proxies.html)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on December 28, 2009, 02:32:58 AM
Majikkowando for some reason cannot translate Comic Studio's cswres.dll file (that's probably the file that has the menu and dialog titles)

I get this error: The DPI start tag on line 103620 does not match the end tag of 'Sentence'. Line 103620 position 20

I wonder if anyone else has that problem?
There's a bug somewhere on the translation cache server then. Can you mail the dll file to kaetemi@gmail.com? I'll have a look at it. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 28, 2009, 03:29:54 AM
There's a bug somewhere on the translation cache server then. Can you mail the dll file to kaetemi@gmail.com? I'll have a look at it. :)

Done. You should have it by now.  :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on December 28, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
Try japaneseproxy.info or from this list. http://www.azproxies.com/proxy-lists/jp-web-proxies.html (http://www.azproxies.com/proxy-lists/jp-web-proxies.html)

Yup, this one works, thanks.

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on December 29, 2009, 03:04:12 AM
Yup, this one works, thanks.



Glad that did.  :D

Thanks to the region block,trial serial numbers for Comic Studio and IllustStudio can't be activated.

At least with IllustStudio,there is an option to use the proxy to contact the license verification webpage.

You are given a very long s/n in the license dialog box and enter it on the webpage given in the dialog box.

The webpage gives back an equally long number to plug into the license dialog box and it then activates the copy.

I had to go through this because activation is required on separate user accounts on the same computer.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 02, 2010, 01:46:04 AM
1.1.0 direct link in case anyone needs
http://dl.clip-studio.com/clipcontent/lib/illuststudio/isdownload/istrial/data/100/IS_110_app.zip

Think we better keep this one safe guys. This could be the last version we'll be able to lay our hands on :(
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on January 02, 2010, 06:52:14 PM
Statistics number of users from translation:
Quote
1.0.7:   13
1.0.8:   34
1.0.9:   60
1.0.10:   62
1.1.0:   11
There's also just copies of the translated dll files going around, and possibly people using non-translated, so you can assume there's only about 100-200 active users outside JP.
Their YouTube channel doesn't get much views either...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: parfhelbelia on January 03, 2010, 07:38:16 PM
Think we better keep this one safe guys. This could be the last version we'll be able to lay our hands on :(

I'll make a mirror on my site then. and if anyone can provide the content pack (did I say it right?) well.... I'll create an FTP account for you. well... I'd like to do this myself but didn't know they will just block us out. what happen is I have only the trial software without any add-on packs. I know this might not sounds pretty for those celsys guys.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on January 03, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
Wonder when/if they'll release new versions after 1.1.0 ;p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on January 07, 2010, 03:29:24 PM
Could you please help...i can't install it.I think it asks for a CD or something...i did changed the regional to JP.
Look:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/qrkt51.jpg)
I tried running the exe in the zip solution but it doesn't work..i get these errors:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/20u1zep.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/259aid4.jpg)
I don't know what the first error is about but the second tells me i need Shockwave player and i do have it installed.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on January 07, 2010, 05:49:08 PM
Could you please help...i can't install it.I think it asks for a CD or something...i did changed the regional to JP.

Already I see the problem. You need to open Region and Language settings in the Control Panel,click the Administrative tab,and set "Language for non-Unicode programs" to Japanese.

After rebooting,unzip the package again (very important),and try the install again.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: minray on January 08, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
Already I see the problem. You need to open Region and Language settings in the Control Panel,click the Administrative tab,and set "Language for non-Unicode programs" to Japanese.

After rebooting,unzip the package again (very important),and try the install again.
I did have the regional language on JP.It asks for certain folder that isn't in the installation pack.
Someone else had the same problem:
It goes halfway through the install when it ask for a file in a folder in the Settings\3D folder.  But the folder and file it asks for are not in the install package.  So the install has to be cancelled.  Is there something wrong with the downloaded files or is there something missing?

I don't think the problem is with the non-unicode.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on January 08, 2010, 03:27:35 AM
It's asking for the Windows CD/DVD.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on January 08, 2010, 03:35:18 AM
I did have the regional language on JP.It asks for certain folder that isn't in the installation pack.
Someone else had the same problem:
I don't think the problem is with the non-unicode.

The screenshot you posted had garbage characters instead of Japanese. This tells me the non-unicode is set wrong. If it is set wrong,the Japanese pathnames in IllustStudio are scrambled and the installer is confused and cannot locate items.

You said the "regional language" is set to jp. What is the "non-unicode" set to?

If you change the non-unicode language,Windows may ask for the Install dvd because it needs certain files.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 08, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
Quote
Updates will be released
IllustStudio Version 1.1.1    January 13, 2010 (Wed) 15:00
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 08, 2010, 11:19:13 PM
Ok, there is freaggin no wai to download any materials from Clip anymore.
But I am going to try and create some of my own anyways, any1 knows how it could be done? No 3D, but tone, pattern and tex?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on January 14, 2010, 01:52:02 AM
The 1.1.1 update was released last night. I've uploaded it to rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.com/files/334884221/IS_1xx_111.zip


Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 14, 2010, 02:03:33 AM
The 1.1.1 update was released last night. I've uploaded it to rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.com/files/334884221/IS_1xx_111.zip

<33333

Can't you use anything else then Rapidshare?
Uberpain in the butt to download anything from it...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 14, 2010, 04:03:44 AM
Thanks, i did get to download it after 10th- 15th try lol :)
Now i am just trying to figure out what exactly did change between 1.1.0 and 1.1.1... they seem to be 100% same... what's the catch lol?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on January 14, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
Direct download url:
http://dl.clip-studio.com/clipcontent/lib/illuststudio/isdownload/istrial/data/100/IS_111_app.zip

nhahahah
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Bakamoichigei on January 17, 2010, 12:37:27 PM
You know, I had been REALLY HOPING that Celsys didn't do something so dumb as to block all non-Japanese traffic.  Hell, you can't even ping the site.  For all intents and purposes it's a goddamn hole in the internet.  It's funny, because I thought it might have been related to a problem I was having playing JanRyuMon (A very nice online Mahjong game by NCSoft) namely that bad routing caused my connection to go all to hell a couple hops before the destination...but other people in the US could access it fine.  It became obvious that it was more than that when none of those 'is it up?' sites could find the IS website either. :|  I'm damned disappointed that they would do that, especially to PAYING CUSTOMERS.

Ok, there is freaggin no wai to download any materials from Clip anymore.
But I am going to try and create some of my own anyways, any1 knows how it could be done? No 3D, but tone, pattern and tex?

The way I understand it, the same process to make tone and pattern brushes in ComicStudio applies to IllustStudio, but off the top of my head I don't know the process; never done it.

As for 3D models, they're Lightwave objects and scenes.  It just so happens that one of this fool's talents is modeling in Newtek Lightwave 3D (http://media.giantpachinkomachineofdoom.com/blog/2009-03/images/detail.png). :3

If anyone's interested, I'll gladly share any generic models I make for IllustStudio and ComicStudio.  (i.e. anything that isn't proprietary to one of my stories)  Once I finish a website I'm working on for someone, I can put the final touches on my new blog and that's where I'll post any materials I make available. :3  (Will link to it then)

Also, for those who don't know, ComicStudio/MangaStudio has like 300mb of useful 3D models.  A lot of very Japanese stuff, not the least interesting of which is a set of highly detailed (for these purposes, anyway) interior and exterior scenes of an archetypal Japanese high school. :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: tmart79 on January 19, 2010, 06:48:23 AM
Could anybody tell me how to get a copy of the software, the crescent shop doesn't help much since they won't ship outside of Japan either.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Bakamoichigei on January 19, 2010, 11:45:25 AM
Like we went over a couple pages back, go to http://shop.vector.co.jp/service/catalogue/illuststudio/

They take paypal and all you need to enter is the address you want the product key and download link sent to.  It's easy as falling down. :3

You should have it within 5 minutes or so.
Title: Illest Studio (for da illest)
Post by: Renzu on January 21, 2010, 12:32:09 AM
Hey all, just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the instructions, support, and auto-translator tool.

I bought IllustStudio a few days ago through Vector shop w/ Paypal, got a serial number within minutes.  The only thing that tripped me up was activation-- it could not connect to the activation server for automatic activation.  Fortunately there's an alternative challenge/response activation scheme in the software.  This requires entering the "challenge" code into a web site, which is accessible through a proxy (http://www.azproxies.com/proxy-lists/jp-web-proxies.html), and retrieving the response code.

I have the latest IllustStudio activated, translated and working just fine.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 21, 2010, 10:27:52 PM
If you want the stuff ClipStudio gives out,there's instructions in this thread as to how to get them.

Well, i stil can't get them... :(
If any1 would be so kind to make a clear guid through how to or just post a download link for the Clip materials, it would be awesome...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on January 22, 2010, 01:01:36 AM
I just checked Clip-Studio website without any proxy at all and it's working for me again!  Maybe they took off the filter?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 22, 2010, 01:14:06 AM
Yups! Accessible again! *cheers*
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Satchi on January 22, 2010, 01:54:12 AM
I just bought my copy today from Vector and the material page also works for me.
I would like to thank everyone in this topic for all their help. And especially the person who made the translation program and everyone helping with the translation.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever
Post by: Bakamoichigei on January 22, 2010, 02:09:40 PM
Oh snap!  It's a good thing I actually checked, I was in the process of writing a letter to get opinions on this situation from some companies that have stakes in the English-language manga artist community.

Wow.  Has CELSYS actually said anything about it?  I'd be curious to hear why they changed their mind.

In fact, why am I asking?  I should go check their news posts and see if they did myself!

btw, does anyone else here have a Pixiv account?  I hadn't checked the e-mail I used for my Clip-Studio account for the last several weeks, and apparently they sent out an e-mail a while back about some kind of IllustStudio/Pixiv connectivity.  Like an automagical 'Upload to Pixiv' button next to the Clip-Studio button and whatnot.  I only skimmed the mail though, so I don't have details.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on January 22, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
I have a Pixiv account too! http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=701185 (http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=701185)

I didn't know there was such an option, that's interesting! I've seen lots of IS ads in Pixiv, no wonder.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 22, 2010, 06:35:55 PM
Whut iz diz Pixiv you iz talking about?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: tmart79 on January 23, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
Whut iz diz Pixiv you iz talking about?

Woaw, you don't know Pixiv?? It is just the greatest japanese artist community, it's like a japanese version of deviantart.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on January 24, 2010, 12:33:36 AM
Whut iz diz Pixiv you iz talking about?

Highlight that word in your browser,right-click and select "Search with Google."

IE,Firefox,and Safari all have this feature.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 24, 2010, 01:31:01 AM
Japanese online art comminity... aye i c... hell i have enuf trouble keeping my DA account alive...
What makes it so special?
C'mon feed my curiousity, before it starves to death.

--- Looks like interaction on that community site is all in Japanese...  I fail in Japanese...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Anoniguy on January 26, 2010, 01:18:13 AM
This thread raised my hopes of getting IllustStudio, dashed them, and then raised them up again. What a wild ride it's been from front to back. So thanks to everyone involved, especially regarding the translation program. That's going to be awful handy when I get the money scraped up to buy this.

@Coda: it's not too dificult to get a script installed on your browser which will automatically translate the various text for Pixiv, so it's easy to navigate and use.

And actually, it's very much like deviant art, for all intents and purposes. Keyword search, follow artists you like, have friends lists.. though there are a few nifty things like being able to reply to an image with an image of your own. Also being able to keep some artists you watch secret from the general public, or upload artwork that only certain members can see.

And.. uh... something about allowing adult art. (cough)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 26, 2010, 01:46:25 AM
... though there are a few nifty things like being able to reply to an image with an image of your own. Also being able to keep some artists you watch secret from the general public, or upload artwork that only certain members can see...

I got the addon alive and kicking in my firefox... this is not the issue... more of :p the interaction between the community members and stuff :p, as far as i have noticed Japanese aren't good in english ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Anoniguy on January 29, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
I usually just write what I want to say in google translate and hope for the best.

I did get some feedback once, but I later realized that the other person was also from somewhere other than japan.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on January 31, 2010, 09:59:15 AM
Saw this link on someone's Twitter, might be interesting
http://www.tenso.com/en/

It's a Japanese package forwarding service.

So you let one or more packages arrive with them, and then they'll forward it to you as one whole package.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on January 31, 2010, 09:18:06 PM
What a let down, yesterday I bothered to look for the windows CD just so I could install IllustStudio trial and they only let me use the program in full for 1 day! Made some slick brushes either way, gotta love that watercolor edge option and smooth blending. Still the program is very hard to figure out if you want to use the perspective tools, pattern maker and all the other stuff even with the automatic translation.
Going to wait for the official version in English on this one so I can actually read the manual and figure how to work with all those tools.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 01, 2010, 03:42:46 AM
Going to wait for the official version in English on this one so I can actually read the manual and figure how to work with all those tools.

You'll be waiting a looong time huney :p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on February 01, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
You'll be waiting a looong time huney :p

Yeah but I want to be able to load custom patterns, brush dabs, textures and the whole deal, also having the folders in English would really help to figure out what they are for.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 08, 2010, 02:44:25 AM
Hi all, and thank for all the effort to let us know there's this promising software around :P

Celsys website is open to the world again and I grabbed this opportunity to get the demo  ("IS_111"). I think I did things right with the regionnal options : got japanese for non unicode & number display, reboot. I'v unzipped the file with winrar. At first setup refused to launch ; after some googling I read my issue was related to file path being too long (it was on my desktop). Moved it to a hard drive's root, was able to launch it. Installation run smoothly, no problem on any sort except... than when I try to launch it once installed (wether with shortcut or directly the IllustStudio.exe in the tool folder) it says : "specifed access path can't be found" (it's a rough translation from french, which is my Windows language). And it says that wether I keep the japanese for non unicode setting  or not (with reboot between each change, of course)... Highly annoying!

Any idea, someone ?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 08, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Hmmm. Forget that, for unknown reason it is now working. Now let's try to get the translation working ^^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 09, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
Well, no succes. Read the nice tutorial pic, got the idea, downloaded translate_mw-0.4.zip, unzipped it. But when I launch Majikkuwando.exe i just got this : "Application failed to initialize (0xc0000135). Click OK to stop the application"

Any idea ?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 09, 2010, 12:53:23 AM
yes, google it.

=> http://www.google.be/search?hl=en-GB&q=Application+failed+to+initialize+%280xc0000135%29&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enBE312BE312&ie=UTF-8
      |
      |=>http://www.realtyware.com/support/error-messages/the-application-failed-to-initialize-properly-0xc0000135/

Should be the very first reflex when you have the error ID @ hand.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on February 09, 2010, 04:31:36 PM
The Clip-Studio website updated recently to announce that very soon, people will be able to share their own created materials at the web, and that those who share materials will be elligible for presents and such (but I bet it only works for Japan).

Right now Clip-Studio is not working for me, I hope it's just the server's down for some reason other than we've been blocked again (Illust Studio web site does work, so maybe we don't have to panic yet).
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 09, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
Hmmm... not sure.. lets think that they are having some extended maintenance.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 10, 2010, 12:48:13 PM
Sorry, failed to come back to mention my issue was solved (.net issue). Everything is working now.

I am able to get most of it... Three questions :

- how the hell do you get your own material in your brushes ? I see there's a menu, I see it seems to work with the material panel, but I don't see how you import your own stuff in that panel

- it's pretty odd how simple brushes don't have anything like a bleed setting, and how you're stuck with one very specific brush shape. Did I miss something ? (using the demo)

- it seems there's only one paper, and that it's a non destructive texture applied on the whole picture. Or do I get it wrong ?
Title: ugh
Post by: Renzu on February 10, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
I'm also struck with the wacom mapping bug.  I'm a multi-monitor user, but even if I d/c my extra monitors and reboot, the issue still occurs.  Basically illuststudio is using a fixed mapping area of 1152x864, so a workaround is to simply use Illuststudio at that desktop res (teh sux).

I'm running the latest version, latest wacom drivers, celsys doesn't offer English support for Illuststudio of course, so I'm f---ed.  System info for those wondering: ATI 5870, win7 x64, intuos 3 6x8

I'll probably see if I can get a friend of mine to compose a Japanese E-mail to Celsys support or something.

EDIT June 2010: There's a work-around now: http://www.clip-studio.com/site/gd/al/tablet.html -- in short, launch your "Wacom Tablet Preference File Utility" and hit "remove all user preferences".  Worked for me anyway.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 10, 2010, 04:13:45 PM
Ok, all in all some very impressive stuff, lots of feature and if i am not wrong some annoyingly missing features. Those aren't too big of a concern as the product is supported - the only thing that bothers me is the close to none support of layer textures (although it can probably be dealed with with appropriate layer composition) and tool textures (apart from watercolor brushes). I can go with that but I am way more annoyed by the fact that it's crashing quite a lot here - on specific actions rather than randomly. So before I decide to buy here are two more questions :

- is the extra content from the shipping version useful

- do you have CTD too ? Practically never had one with SAI.

All in all I prefer SAI's design and way of dealing with brushes but there really are some killer features in Illuststudio (especially the "gap" parameter :P )
Title: Re: ugh
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 10, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
I'm also struck with the wacom mapping bug.  I'm a multi-monitor user, but even if I d/c my extra monitors and reboot, the issue still occurs.  Basically illuststudio is using a fixed mapping area of 1152x864, so a workaround is to simply use Illuststudio at that desktop res (teh sux).

I'm running the latest version, latest wacom drivers, celsys doesn't offer English support for Illuststudio of course, so I'm f---ed.  System info for those wondering: ATI 5870, win7 x64, intuos 3 6x8
*

I am using a Cintiq, so I am having dual monitor too. Working like a charm here. Cintiq's resolution (and mapping) is set to 1280*800. I am not sure but I think intuos and cintiq have the same driver, don't they ?

ATI 4870 (same driver as you but...), Windows XP (that's my "but" :P).
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 11, 2010, 02:15:47 AM
- do you have CTD too ?

CTD=Common technical document? or you ment CD and just sandwiched a T in  some passional drift?

- No, no (intressting) extra content.
aaaand,
- No, no CD, we forced in the data in order to DOWNLOAD the software. Only if you are planning to get the BOX shipped over.

Aren't you being kinda picky for a software that barely costs 40€ and owns Photoshop and SAI on painting lvl?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 11, 2010, 02:51:12 AM
Freagging amasing... am i the only one that cannot login in Clip? Site is accesible login is screwed... or at least for me...
Tryed creating a new account, niether new nor old one functioned. Please tell me i am not the only one T_T
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 11, 2010, 10:07:35 PM
CTD=Common technical document? or you ment CD and just sandwiched a T in  some passional drift?

- No, no (intressting) extra content.
aaaand,
- No, no CD, we forced in the data in order to DOWNLOAD the software. Only if you are planning to get the BOX shipped over.

Aren't you being kinda picky for a software that barely costs 40€ and owns Photoshop and SAI on painting lvl?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTD

In computing, sometimes used as an abbreviation for "Crash to Desktop", when a program exits abnormally

;-)

I bought it BTW - as you say, it's cheap. That being said I wouldn't say it's better than SAI for painting - right now I can't make my brushes based on my own material so it's pretty useless to me (basic brushes are even crappier than SAI's ones). Also brushes textures are only available for watercolor brushes, why I don't get it. Also it doesn't track efficiently brush direction like SAI does. Yes, SAI doesn't take advantage of my 6D brush and Illuststudio does but OTOH SAI doesn't need it that much.

That being said I've just finished my comic book (http://www.ruppert-lesite.com/dotclear/index.php/post/Stevostin-tome-3-%3A-Aventures-de-Kalahane) with SAI and I am probably in the situation of the guy too used to his tool and grumbling about the next one :P

But no kidding, I *can't* get my own images as material for any brushes, although it's certainly designed to allow that. In the shape/brush pane and if I click the "set brush patterns", I have a window with two empty column and no way to get anything in those. Or I can use the material pane, see my custom folder but can't get any pic in it to be used by a brush. Oh, and every other folder from the material pane is empty. Very different from what I can see here (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://manual.illuststudio.net/startupguide/majorfunction/material_tone/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.fr&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhhQk6biwnOjkyW_8A2GC2Lw8y2pQ) ! Any idea ?

Also I see you guys logging to Clip but fact is I bough it via vector and can't find any log and pass to clip via the mailed I received (I had my license key thus). If I give it my buying email and says I don't have my password it just tells me the email adress is invalid. I feel stupid, any tip ?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 11, 2010, 11:02:05 PM
Gratz on the comic completion!

Now:
- Nop, never had any "CTD" with any of the latest IS version, may be 1 or 2 with the very first 1.0.6 - 1.0.8
- It always takes a getting used to, no matter what tool ... I had Manga Studio EX als favo software on top of all, so IllustStudio was like... a dream come true, since it had COLOR + blending
- YOU CAN make you very own custom brushed with your very own material, take a good look at it, gotto save your tips and patterns under other format than bitmaps, => tne and other IS formats, takes some effort but is very bery doible.
- Textures are availible for ALL BRUSHTYPES, pensil, patternbrush and watercolor, you must be running an early version if it isn't so.
- Really cannot agree on the fect that basic brushes are crappier than SAI ones... blending as coverage, as brush mechanics can only be matches by Corel painter... IMO...

But no kidding, I *can't* get my own images as material for any brushes, although it's certainly designed to allow that. In the shape/brush pane and if I click the "set brush patterns", I have a window with two empty column and no way to get anything in those. Or I can use the material pane, see my custom folder but can't get any pic in it to be used by a brush. Oh, and every other folder from the material pane is empty. Very different from what I can see here (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://manual.illuststudio.net/startupguide/majorfunction/material_tone/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.fr&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhhQk6biwnOjkyW_8A2GC2Lw8y2pQ) ! Any idea ?
- There is something defo going wrong there, some default patterns are included from the very beginning. Unistall it, install all over again.. =/
- Clip needs a seperate ID and pass, register on Clip to get it... tho it still gives the error message... :( ( Booo.. i wanted to take a look at those new mats...)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 12, 2010, 02:41:40 AM
Thank to both of you, I am starting to see the light. I've got some clip stuff and started to get how each brush type works and what I could get of those.
 
Here are some of my thought

- pattern brush is really cool. It's a bit sad it doesn't include bleed or watercolor effect but the fact it works with multiple pattern and gives you controle on how they're dealed with is seriously good. Only TVPaint had this feature, I think.

- Watercolor brush is ok. It is pattern based, so it doesn't emulate a brush but it's no big deal. The watercolor settings seem more powerful than sai (or PS) but it's actually dumb to have those settings applied on a brush rather than a layer. While it takes some time to be understood SAI's way of dealing with this beat the crap out of Illuststudio or Corel Painter (or PS of course), as it allows to merge when you want and dry stuf when you want very quickly.

- Brush pen is hugely disappointing to me. It's based on an emulation of a brush but you have absolutely no control on that brush where Painter gives you too much and SAI, in a pretty rough way (go edit some .bmp pixel per pixel) give you enough. Moreover it has no bleed, no paper texture. Too bad, as the random orientation controle is an improvement on SAI... But that's the only one. Heck, it doesn't even have a composite mode ! I really don't understand what's celsys idea behind this tool. Maybe it's here for future improvement ?

All in all I still think that while it's better than photoshop brush wise (but what isn't ?), it's not as smart and efficient as SAI when it comes to tools (while probably representing more work code wise). The only real bonus from SAI is the multipattern brush. But you loose :
- the possibility to make a wet brush emulation (requires multiply and bleed on a brush emulation) - have to fake it with a less expressive pattern based watercolor brush
- the constant availability of brush texture + paper texture + layer texture which proves to be so useful in SAI
- Edge hardness setting, pretty useful too
- good watercolor logic (ie layer based, not brush based)

OTOH you gain
- multiple pattern brushes
- support for 6D brush so at least there's a way to have a working flat brush (SAI doesn't, big flaw).
- that's all !

None of this is too bad as I think everything I need can be done efficiently. One thing that pisses me off it how Celsys put great effort to allow complexe keybinding on what is used rarely and no keybinding on what is used all the time, i.e. selecting a specific brush preset. It's really stunning for me to see absolutely everyone but SAI suffers from incredibly stupid designers on that simple point (told you, it pisses me off :P )

Brush apart, it's better than SAI on everything (well nearly, selection pen is missed, ok...). The gap parameter will certainly change my life. There are the features SAI misses (filters, rules, typo...) and the inking stuff seems even better than SAI. I may sound harsh but to be clear, I consider Photoshop to be a crappy solution to draw (no non destructive rotation / mirror, no correction, basic tool too soft for inking, no bleed... well, it's a photo tool, not a painting tool), Corel Painter to be not usable at all (horrible GUI, design, bugs, performances although some tools are really cool), Paint Tool Sai to be close to the perfect design and Illuststudio being one step above in term of how hard it tries to make comic book author's life better. Moreover I am bitching but this is a 1.1 version. Pretty huge for a start, I must say ! 

EDIT : Actually, trying to convert my brushes from SAI shows me a much more indepth gap between the two software. When not emulating brush fiber, SAI is dealing with bitmap but in a different way than PS or Illuststudio - it's called "Brush Edge" and it's bloody efficient on some brushes. I don't really understand what it does exactly : it uses a texture rather than a brush shape but it's not just painting this texture like Illuststudio or PS would do. There seems to be a more complexe algorythm that "spread" the ink by tolerance from pixel luminance. I have this excellent watercolor tool that I just can't convert even vaguely. Hmmm.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 12, 2010, 07:09:38 AM
I quickly tried it but was under the impression it wasn't good enough brush wise (as you can see, I am pretty demanding on that front). Actually I thoughtthat illuststudio would be just better than Manga Studio for everything ? Inking and masking seems way better, and that's some of the critical stuff in the workflow...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: maxxie65 on February 12, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
Hi, I've been trying to install Illust Studio for quite some time now but it doesn't ever seem to get past halfway through the installation.
I'm running English Windows 7 OS (which I assume is the problem) and I have the standard Japanese language installed also, but the Files/Installation read like this:
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k55/48elmaxo16/IllustStudio1.gif)(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k55/48elmaxo16/IllustStudio2.gif)(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k55/48elmaxo16/IllustStudio3.gif)
And part way through the actually installation (trial version) I get this dialogue box (3rd image) and the one part that I can make out reads "pass" I think, so I'm not sure if I'm supposed to pick a specific file or something to continue.
The installation guide didn't mention it so if anyone knows how to get it to work properly (or at the very least have all the text in a legible format) then that would be great.
The videos and examples look incredibly excellent. Thanks
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 13, 2010, 02:34:02 AM
well nearly, selection pen is missed, ok...

Not rly, create a selection layer and draw/paint your selection on it with any brish you like lol :p, which becomes your selection, hell you can make a whole collection of diffrent selection layers.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 13, 2010, 04:08:14 AM
The point of selection pen is to be very fast to use. You shortcut it and then you can use it every two minutes, something you'll never do if you have to bother creating a layer, selecting it, hiding it, cleaning it when it's done... Of course Illustudio can't shortcut a tool anyway...

The more I play with the brushes, the more I feel it needs in depth work from Celsys. For instance, if you start to play with orientation while having a thickness < 100%, the result is just to ugly to be used. That's not serious... Go to work, Celsys !

BTW SAI's way of dealing with texture is very, very special. I don't think any other software does it this way. At 0%, it's just a circle with no texture. But increase the value, and the fringe of that circle start to be texturised by applying a threshold to the texture and taking the stronger part of it. The more texture, the smaller the untexturized part of the circle (at 50, there's no more) and the broader the fringe are that is texturized. This appears to be really smart. Basicaly it allows a continuity in the texture that pattern can't give - and you don't even have to bother with extra parameters as all in the texture. Depending on the density or the texture setting, you can either have sharp touch with expressive border or soft texturing brush - oh, and there is no interval setting to worry about, and no CPU strain associated. I don't think it's possible to get something equivalent with Illuststudio. Bloody brilliant!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on February 13, 2010, 07:19:09 AM
The point of selection pen is to be very fast to use. You shortcut it and then you can use it every two minutes, something you'll never do if you have to bother creating a layer, selecting it, hiding it, cleaning it when it's done... Of course Illustudio can't shortcut a tool anyway...

The more I play with the brushes, the more I feel it needs in depth work from Celsys. For instance, if you start to play with orientation while having a thickness < 100%, the result is just to ugly to be used. That's not serious... Go to work, Celsys !

BTW SAI's way of dealing with texture is very, very special. I don't think any other software does it this way. At 0%, it's just a circle with no texture. But increase the value, and the fringe of that circle start to be texturised by applying a threshold to the texture and taking the stronger part of it. The more texture, the smaller the untexturized part of the circle (at 50, there's no more) and the broader the fringe are that is texturized. This appears to be really smart. Basicaly it allows a continuity in the texture that pattern can't give - and you don't even have to bother with extra parameters as all in the texture. Depending on the density or the texture setting, you can either have sharp touch with expressive border or soft texturing brush - oh, and there is no interval setting to worry about, and no CPU strain associated. I don't think it's possible to get something equivalent with Illuststudio. Bloody brilliant!

The problem is when you use less than 100% minimum size, it smudges at a weird 45º angle.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/140ypoi.jpg)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: maxxie65 on February 13, 2010, 08:13:11 AM
It looks like the System locale is not set to Japanese.

In Windows go to Control Panel > Region and Language > click on Administrative tab > click on Change System Locale button, from the drop down list,choose Japanese,reboot and try the setup again.
I've just done this, and it has worked to some extent, with only file names staying the same, which is understandable. Unfortunately though, I still got that dialogue box asking for a file or something.
The first half reads: 次のファイルを含むディスク1を挿入してください, and the second half is a file name, which I found because parts of the file name were readable. I tried selecting that file (only allowed me to pick its containing folder) but that didn't work. If anyone understands what it's requesting or if anyone's encountered that dialogue box during their installation, could you tell me what it's asking me for?
Thanks

Edit: I think it may mean that the mentioned file is corrupt or unreadable, because I checked in Program Files once the installation paused itself and it had all the files up to the one that it had mentioned there.
Is it necessary to have a program that can read .lws files in order to install it?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gnix on February 13, 2010, 08:31:38 AM
I've just done this, and it has worked to some extent, with only file names staying the same, which is understandable. Unfortunately though, I still got that dialogue box asking for a file or something.
The first half reads: 次のファイルを含むディスク1を挿入してください, and the second half is a file name, which I found because parts of the file name were readable. I tried selecting that file (only allowed me to pick its containing folder) but that didn't work. If anyone understands what it's requesting or if anyone's encountered that dialogue box during their installation, could you tell me what it's asking me for?
Thanks

The installer is asking for a file it can't seem to find. My recommendation is to trash the install folder,and unzip the archive again.

The reason I say this is that if you unzipped before changing the system locale,this mangles file paths confusing the installer.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: maxxie65 on February 13, 2010, 09:30:03 AM
The installer is asking for a file it can't seem to find. My recommendation is to trash the install folder,and unzip the archive again.

The reason I say this is that if you unzipped before changing the system locale,this mangles file paths confusing the installer.
Ahhh!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!
Worked perfectly!! Yay for your awesome knowledge!! So much!!
And now to go get my graphics tablet ^_^
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 14, 2010, 12:17:05 AM
The point of selection pen is to be very fast to use. You shortcut it and then you can use it every two minutes, something you'll never do if you have to bother creating a layer, selecting it, hiding it, cleaning it when it's done... Of course Illustudio can't shortcut a tool anyway...

The more I play with the brushes, the more I feel it needs in depth work from Celsys. For instance, if you start to play with orientation while having a thickness < 100%, the result is just to ugly to be used. That's not serious... Go to work, Celsys !

BTW SAI's way of dealing with texture is very, very special. I don't think any other software does it this way. At 0%, it's just a circle with no texture. But increase the value, and the fringe of that circle start to be texturised by applying a threshold to the texture and taking the stronger part of it. The more texture, the smaller the untexturized part of the circle (at 50, there's no more) and the broader the fringe are that is texturized. This appears to be really smart. Basicaly it allows a continuity in the texture that pattern can't give - and you don't even have to bother with extra parameters as all in the texture. Depending on the density or the texture setting, you can either have sharp touch with expressive border or soft texturing brush - oh, and there is no interval setting to worry about, and no CPU strain associated. I don't think it's possible to get something equivalent with Illuststudio. Bloody brilliant!

Well:
- Yea, selection pen is something much more faster, but yet i would take a selection layer over it anytime, the ease of heaving a selection saved and ready to be cut of any texture, layer, to be filled, deformed, filtered.. you name it! Is much more valuable than time, it remains the very same shape no matter what, no need to reselect or worry about precision ^^
- You got used to SAI way TOO MUCH... SAI is the ONLY software that allows to bind a key to whichever tool. As far as i know PS/ Painter / OpenCanvas/ etc... only allow group key binding: => Brushes, Pensils, Selection Tool... all under one very same letter relatively B,P,L.
-Celsys brushes have very similar mechanics to PS ones, it is all a question the perfect equation, it needs to be tweaked @ several parameters at once, you talk about it, as if it was shallow... not giving it a dieper thought your self. Besides, what  you may find ugly and useless might be the perfect brush for an other? In your example, try to take a brushtip shape into consideration? Don't you think result may differ?
-Corel Painter has very bery similar approch to paper textures, But i dislike that software, anyways so wouldn't rly bug my self with the details.
- That fringe is imo most useless effect there is.. it is pixel based... not percentage... (if it was ment to create watecolor-edge (paper) effect... well it fails >.>) doesn't even effect the entier stroke... only the edge of the coverage... srly.. what did you fall in love there ... but that's my opinion :p
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 14, 2010, 03:35:51 AM
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You got used to SAI way TOO MUCH... SAI is the ONLY software that allows to bind a key to whichever tool.
This is surrealistic. As I said, anyone doing this for real create is set of tool and switch between a number of them. So anyone doing this for real need to be able to keybind his tool preset more often than a tool from the palette. This should be obvious to any software designer doing his job, i.e. monitoring his target user and analyzing his actions (quality, quantity). I mean, I didn't need SAI to come to bitch about that. I was already bitching about it 10 years ago, this is so ridiculous. I say it loud : any CG software designer that doesn't features this from the very start is a moron, period !

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Celsys brushes have very similar mechanics to PS ones, it is all a question the perfect equation,

Wait... pattern brushes (i.e PS ones) is the most basic way of dealing with brushes. How can you speak about perfect equation ? There's a heap of software with real tech put into brushes : Corel Painter, Artrage, SAI... Just yesterday I was trying MyPaint, which is free. One of its focus are Brushes and you can instantly see how much more advanced this small free app is, brush wise, than photoshop. Actually I am pretty sure Gimp Paint Studio also beat the crap out of PS on that regard. So yes, pattern brushes are pretty versatile and you can reach a decent approximation of what you need with enough tweaks - exactly what I am working at in the last two days with Illuststudio. But seriously, just checking with the competition shows clearly how outdated, or at least marginal is that approach to brush rendering. Doing just that (I was wrong, even brush pen are pattern based in IS) is.... really lowering the expectations to say the least.
Note that *not having it*, either, is equally missed - I agree that wouldn't hurt to have it in SAI too :P

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That fringe is imo most useless effect there is.. it is pixel based... not percentage... (if it was ment to create watecolor-edge (paper) effect... well it fails >.>) doesn't even effect the entier stroke... only the edge of the coverage... srly.. what did you fall in love there

Well, the thing with real watercolor is that it actually doesn't effect the stroke, but the edge of the coverage. Else, instead of having a fringe just around the shape you've just painted, you would have one for every stroke you made to create that shape which would look ugly and very far from any real watercolor render you could get IRL... Exactly the way it looks in Illuststudio unless you smudge it with the appropriate bleed setting - which is ok and allows decent watercolor but still - it's really not slick and clean software design.

Now don't get me wrong, I am actually switching to Illuststudio from Sai. But in all honesty there some pretty cheesy stuff left in Illuststudio at the moment, especially considering it is specialized for illustration, which is highly brushes dependent. Yes it improves photoshop but most of the competition is way more ambitious than that, SAI included. 
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 14, 2010, 03:51:07 AM
The problem is when you use less than 100% minimum size, it smudges at a weird 45º angle.

I can't reproduce that here at any min size BTW. Actually I just did ~30 pages with SAI and a watercolor tool of the same kind than in your example and never had anything like it (would have mind ! :P). Pretty odd...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on February 14, 2010, 04:04:03 PM
Well, first of all lets not turn this into an argument but stick to a debate/discussion formula, this software has its  pros and cons, and it is all about finding w/e works for you, than trying to change anything, since none of the developers will listen to us.
This is surrealistic. As I said, anyone doing this for real create is set of tool and switch between a number of them. So anyone doing this for real need to be able to keybind his tool preset more often than a tool from the palette. This should be obvious to any software designer doing his job, i.e. monitoring his target user and analyzing his actions (quality, quantity). I mean, I didn't need SAI to come to bitch about that. I was already bitching about it 10 years ago, this is so ridiculous. I say it loud : any CG software designer that doesn't features this from the very start is a moron, period !
-Why? .. Srly.. why?  Why would a CG-artist wanna go /FACEROLL over keyboard while he has a tablet to hold on his lap... a gamer may be bothered with the possibilities of a key binding, but an artist...  no software IR would even think about, as his bro hardware IR has already provided you with a tablet. And weren't you a cintiq user? In this case you got your entier work plain under the stylus, and everything is a click away,...
Hereby, not sure if you have noticed, IS alows you to simply drag any painting tool into a seperate tab, i just slap that tab open and pick the brush up with my stylus.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3369/newcanvasy.th.png) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/newcanvasy.png/)

Wait... pattern brushes (i.e PS ones) is the most basic way of dealing with brushes. How can you speak about perfect equation ? There's a heap of software with real tech put into brushes : Corel Painter, Artrage, SAI... Just yesterday I was trying MyPaint, which is free. One of its focus are Brushes and you can instantly see how much more advanced this small free app is, brush wise, than photoshop. Actually I am pretty sure Gimp Paint Studio also beat the crap out of PS on that regard. So yes, pattern brushes are pretty versatile and you can reach a decent approximation of what you need with enough tweaks - exactly what I am working at in the last two days with Illuststudio. But seriously, just checking with the competition shows clearly how outdated, or at least marginal is that approach to brush rendering. Doing just that (I was wrong, even brush pen are pattern based in IS) is.... really lowering the expectations to say the least.

-Nothing was wrong with PS brushes besides the fect that blending was opacity based, PS has great brush mechanics. (Not as great as Corel Painter, but that's one of the reasons why Corel Painter is such a pain in the butt in the frist place... ) AND again... i said it a gazillion times already, PS was not ment for painting... it's a PHOTO-EDITOR... if Adobe would wanna make it a Painting tool, trust me... they would most likely succeed. ( Well in fect, they are... but those natural brushes they are planning to stick in CS12 are just ... eeeh >.> ... at least from i have seen...)
-Artrage... oh please... I m not even gonna go there.
-Gimp is mofo'ing awesome, considering the fect that it is an opensource software! Never really took a good look into gimp, the interface was too inconventional somehow...


Well, the thing with real watercolor is that it actually doesn't effect the stroke, but the edge of the coverage. Else, instead of having a fringe just around the shape you've just painted, you would have one for every stroke you made to create that shape which would look ugly and very far from any real watercolor render you could get IRL... Exactly the way it looks in Illuststudio unless you smudge it with the appropriate bleed setting - which is ok and allows decent watercolor but still - it's really not slick and clean software design.
- I never said IS had good real watercolor effect, in fect it doesn't... none of my brushes have the "Boundary Pencil" since its fugly as hell... SAI and IS both fail at it myserable... Corel Painter is the only software to my knowledge that approaches it, you can dry your layers and wet them again, which effects the strokes on just put on the canvas as the strokes already on the canvas, try it... it is superb, but again .. Corel Painter is impossible to run smoothly... even with my settings.

Now don't get me wrong, I am actually switching to Illuststudio from Sai. But in all honesty there some pretty cheesy stuff left in Illuststudio at the moment, especially considering it is specialized for illustration, which is highly brushes dependent. Yes it improves photoshop but most of the competition is way more ambitious than that, SAI included.

- Well i am only a nabcake in comic/illustration industry, hell i don't even have a degree yet and fuck knows if i'll ever get it... (>.> but lets leave my fckd up life out if it), BUT... brushes..dependant...?
I don't think so...  Illustrator, Adobe Illustrator (+PS) and that's what you will find in most graphic institutions... 90% of illustration surrounding you in life is made with these 2... Yet again... the golden rule: It isn't the tool, but the wielder. People create master pieces on bamboo in MS paint.


.. But i gotto leave it here, since i gotto go!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: sansexperience on February 14, 2010, 04:56:47 PM
SAI is undoubtedly the Art Program that I will always come back to. I've experimented with GIMP(Hated it. It lags like hell, also the interface was aggravating), Pixia(. . . Nothing much to say, but it's a neat little program.), ArtRage(It's really good, being able to emulate traditional media. But still, laggy as hell. I only use it if I absolutely HAVE to achieve a certain effect), PhotoShop(I found that the colors seemed more vibrant, but also very blotchy with uneven tone. I guess that's because of how PS blends colors. And plus, it doesn't lag at ALL. . . until I've had it open for upwards of an hour.), Painter(I don't use it. It's nice, but it requires more resources than available) and a whole slew of various openware/freeware programs.

SAI runs smoothly(even with very large images), even with limited resources.(My PC only has 1 GB of RAM and a 1.33 GHz processor, running Windows XP. It fails, but it gets the job done.) This is what makes SAI such a wonderful program.

And this is also why I wanna get IllustStudio. . . to my knowledge, SAI has essentially been abandoned anyway.

I hope I'm not rambling too much. |:
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 14, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
SAI is undoubtedly the Art Program that I will always come back to. I've experimented with GIMP(Hated it. It lags like hell, also the interface was aggravating), Pixia(. . . Nothing much to say, but it's a neat little program.), ArtRage(It's really good, being able to emulate traditional media. But still, laggy as hell. I only use it if I absolutely HAVE to achieve a certain effect), PhotoShop(I found that the colors seemed more vibrant, but also very blotchy with uneven tone. I guess that's because of how PS blends colors. And plus, it doesn't lag at ALL. . . until I've had it open for upwards of an hour.), Painter(I don't use it. It's nice, but it requires more resources than available) and a whole slew of various openware/freeware programs.

Some notes : GIMP is not the same as GIMP Paint Studio. GPS and Art Rage are not laggy at all here (Actually Art Rage probably is the smoothest CG software on my system...), so maybe it's a CPU or local issue you have. That being said I didn't use those two soft for other reasons.  Photoshop shop certainly has his own color feel but I wouldn't praise it because it's actually based on a loss in energy in the color (explained here (http://ekarnopp.blogspot.com/2009/08/pitfalls-of-color-in-digital-painting.html)). I suspect SAI's vivid layer mode is a blending wich keep the energy while mixing color. Oh, and if your system lag after one hour of PS, you should definitvely investigate because even on way slowest computer it's not suppose to happen.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 14, 2010, 08:24:16 PM
to Coda :

- I've got two hands like most people, so my left hand is best used somewhere than nowhere :P. Actually being able to switch a tool in the middle of a line is one key contribution CG can give you to discover new styles and techniques. AFAICT every friend I have that uses a wacom has one hand on the keyboard and the other on the wacom. Oh and a wacom (cintiq or intuos) doesn't allow you to bind a lot of keys on it - I'd say you commonly need 10 keybinds (space, alt, shift, ctrl, undo, redo, switch color, eraser, and on SAI rotation are absolute must ) and as only the key on the side of your freehand are easy to reach that gives you only 5 keys. So what happen is that you can't get rid of your keyboard and end up not using the wacom's key at all because your hand is simply not there. Actually if you read about wacom's users in the forum, complaining about those keys is a classic.

Note that I aslo have a tablet PC and when I use it, I have no keyboard at all, so I perfectly know what it's like to work without. It's ok. But it's better with!

- I gave you exemple of four software that kicks PS ass in term of brushes. Don't know what you have against Artrage but Try to get a brush or even a 2B like the ones Artrage provides on photoshop... good luck. Now of course you can't control it the way you cand with pattern based brushes so if there is only one brush engine, it's the best option. But we're in 2010, there are plenty of CG soft. It's ok for PS to be stuck in prehistory because as you noted, it's a photo editing software. But it's not for Illuststudio, which is aimed at illustrators (which BTW is not the case of Adobe Illustrator which is aimed at graphic designers and is very rarely used for illustration, precisely because it has no bitmap brush - you just can't paint with it and even draw is pretty raw).

- I think you had no luck with SAI's watercolor. I use Ray Miranda brushes that I found on this very forum, tweaked it a bit, carefully read the part of the manual that explain the method to get a watercolor rendering and I had something I never achieved to get from Painter (see the first pane here (http://www.ruppert-lesite.com/dotclear/images/kalahane1/daenerys_04.jpg), all of it is done with one single watercolor brush in just a few stroke - I'd be glad if you can show me some PS or ever Corel brush that provides me such a lively material). First  no matter how big your CPU is, Painter will explode when you'll do your very first watercolor move, ie paint the background with a large brush and a light color. For me it is instantly endgame for Corel Painter and I suspect it is for other else we wouldn't see that much CG professionnal still using PS's no blend, no fiber brushes with pop up color picker while Painter is available for more than a decade now...

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on February 14, 2010, 09:12:13 PM
I can't reproduce that here at any min size BTW. Actually I just did ~30 pages with SAI and a watercolor tool of the same kind than in your example and never had anything like it (would have mind ! :P). Pretty odd...

Right so you just use a round dab with the texture, I kinda dislike round brushes so SAI's texture brushes are kinda not my thing, you'll also be hard pressed to find many people praising SAI for it's painterly brushes.


My favorite thing about IllustStudio brushes is really with the watercolor effect, great fun and it's still very fast with great results, I can only imagine what more I could do if I was able to load my custom brush dabs and textures.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 14, 2010, 10:49:26 PM
Use a round dab with a texture in SAI and in Illuststudio and you'ill immediately see why SAI is offering something unusual and pretty appropriate if you need a rich material in the stroke that doesn't look like a shaken pattern. Spend litteraly hours trying to get something that looks like this in Illuststudio. The only way I can think of is creating a big multibrush but that would take ages, a lot of ressources, wouldn't be as smooth and would only work at full opacity (or be very choppy).

(http://uppix.com/f-brush4b7857e90002ce75.jpg)
Now if you have a suggestion on how to make one single brush that can do what I've shown here in Illuststudio (or in PS, or even in Corel Painter actually) that would help a lot. I have 90+ pages to do in the next four month so now is the good time to prepare brushes :P

(note that by doing this I found a wat to reproduce your bug, although it rather seems to happen on pressure variation rathen than on an angle.)

Another request to the people here : I really have a lot of crashes here. The good thing is that I can reproduce it : start Illuststudio, create a selection, convert it to a mask on your layer, try to save as .xpg = = = > crash. I looked in the support forum via google translate and no one being speaking about that (and the bug being pretty huge), I suspect not a lot of people have it... Does it ring a bell to any of you guys ?

EDIT : ok, this will probably be of concern to anyone here. I replaced my tool folder (translated via Majikuwando) with the orignial one and it is now working fine. It appears it was a wrong idea to get illuststudio.exe translated. I put back the original one and everything is fine (and seems to keep translated AFAICT).

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: figue on February 15, 2010, 01:02:05 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/15zr3g0.jpg)

You would love NekoPaint then, it's very similar to SAI except it uses bitmap dabs instead (like Photoshop, Painter). To me SAI is too synthetic looking, same for ArtRage since it makes very mechanical brush strokes and you don't have many options so the brushes all look similar.

Maybe IS. isn't for you now at this point, I quite liked it, even with the default brush dabs and textures there's a ton of brushes that you can do.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 15, 2010, 02:23:53 AM
The gap parameter all alone makes IS a must have to me. Now for the rest... have you ever tried to see, when you find an image on the web, if you can tell which software has been used ? Most of the time, you can't and the best you have is an educated bet. Even some digital painting which screems "bleed" all the way end up being just good ol' PS (well, 90% is PS anyway so...). And IS is substantially better than PS brush wise (and immensely as a drawing tool), so I am not seriously pretending I won't be able to get roughly what I need out of it. I mean, I already have an inking brush that excites me more than what I've with SAI, and an airbrush only corel painter can beat. IS is a revolution, a huge step up to many regards and I am gonna push it in every talk. I may have given the impression I was bitching about it or praising SAI (which already is a great software IMO) but really I was just answering points or giving personnal feedback in some details. I've also worked in software design and I thought it was really unfair to SAI to say its brush system isn't good. Yes the artifact are annoying but seriously, all the method, fiber emulations, pattern, have some. I feel SAI idea is really, really brilliant. It's very CPU efficient, it delivers a rich and consistent texture in any smooth stroke, it's easy to grasp, easy to control, easy to experiment with. It brings more liveliness and expression to your stylus than any Corel Painter  or PS brush can. It doesn't really emulate anything, it's just a smart compromise optimal for what's really needed in digital painting. Now of course that's just my own experience with it but I really misses that system. PS is dead brushes to me, Corel Painter is wrong design choices ; with SAI I hade for the first time the feeling that something really simple and workable was created by a software designer who really understood what CG was about for real.

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: bamboo_fred on February 15, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
What about MyPaint vs Sai? Pros and cons. I'm a noob in digital painting.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 16, 2010, 03:08:12 AM
Well, just try MyPaint and you'll immediately see it's not really the same. MyPaint takes a whole new approach aiming at doodling. You dont set up canvas size ; canvas size just extand when needed. By default, it saves every doodling. There is no selection tool, no copy or paste. Really it's kind of a digital sketchbook. It's all designed so you have fun with it, and fun you have. It also aimed to be suited for kids. I certainly plan to let mine use it on the tablet PC. Can you do pro stuff with it ? Certainly, there's even a New York Times cover that was made on an iPhone... But it's not self sufficient, I think.

Brush wise, it seems very, very tweakable and include pretty advanced rendering techniques. Ray Miranda did some bloody great brushes for it (the guy's good !). It's more advanced than SAI or Illustudio to that regard - and gives more controle than Painter. But out of brushes, it really is a desert feature wise.

Another day with IS. Some things looks really neat. Memory usage seems efficient. You seem to be able to have different resolution for each layer - I have to think the new opportunity it provides. More importantly, the "feel" of the brushes (i.e. responsiveness) is really brilliant. Maybe it's just me but I am under the impression it's something different than other soft I used.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on February 23, 2010, 02:18:23 AM
I have a question about Illust Studio:

Recently I reached 255 (I think) special brushes in IS, and the program says more are not allowed. If I want to install any new brush, I have to erase some older one.

Is there any way to create, like, categories for brushes so that I can load certain category when I need it or something?  Because it's really a pain if I cannot install more than 255 without erasing some...


Thank you very much in advance!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: embl3m on February 23, 2010, 07:36:58 PM
Can you guys tell me how to access/add those 3D models into the canvas just like the one in the IllustStudio demonstration videos? I can't seem to find it despite installing the english patch and stuff.

Nevermind I found it. Its at File -> Read -> 3D File

Instead, does anyone know where to get more 3D files? IllustStudio's video/making tutorials show some 3D models not found in a brand new install.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Grégory Makles on February 28, 2010, 02:18:09 AM
Is there any way to create, like, categories for brushes so that I can load certain category when I need it or something?  Because it's really a pain if I cannot install more than 255 without erasing some...

Didn't know there was this kind of limit. 255 brushes in one brush kind or all brushes added? Also I undertsand you can store tool preset i.e. one brush type + its setting or just "style", ie some parameters (basic + extended tabs I think) regardless of anything that comes with the brush type (starting from the brush type itself). So maybe you may solve this by balancing what you save as "tool preset" and what as "style". Not saying it's a good fix - any sort of limit certainly sucks. At least in SAI you could work this around by just creating several folder of SAI and creating a different setup for each one.

If you don't already know this, brushes are stored in something like "myDocuments\IllustStudio Ver1 Ý’è" and if you figure it out you may be able as well to do what you want by moving some folders. Good thing is that I think it would work without a need to quit and relaunch IS.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: whazzup on February 28, 2010, 09:13:18 PM
been trying out illuststudio recently. Absolutely loving the perspective rulers. but anyone knows whether there is a hotkey i can press to disable the perspective rulers temporarily when drawing? Other than clicking on the little dot, tat is.


*nvm, found it myself, lol....
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: denkikoiji on March 01, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
oke well OMG I found illuststudio cracked version 1.1.1 but it is is Chinese T^T and  Majikkuwando does not have a Chinese to English translation !!! like omg we need to get this as soon as possible!!! look here i found the website were they release the cracks!! website--> http://www.cs-x.com illust studio part of site--> http://www.cs-x.com/bbs.php?gid=37 here is thread--> http://www.cs-x.com/forum-40-1.html
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on March 01, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
Grégory Makles> Thank you very much! I'll try that out, let's see if I can make it work.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Kaetemi on March 02, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
oke well OMG I found illuststudio cracked version 1.1.1 but it is is Chinese
buy it, using cracks is illegal
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: whazzup on March 03, 2010, 07:05:12 AM
anyone can help me on this? is it possible to have the perspective ruler (or any ruler for tat matter) be used for multiple layers? Instead of me having to create a perspective ruler for each layer? thanks!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: denkikoiji on March 03, 2010, 07:45:07 AM
buy it, using cracks is illegal

i did buy it lol it is just most people would rather have the crack then buying it ...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on March 03, 2010, 12:21:03 PM
anyone can help me on this? is it possible to have the perspective ruler (or any ruler for tat matter) be used for multiple layers? Instead of me having to create a perspective ruler for each layer? thanks!

ON Rulerlayer:
YEP, unless you disable SNAP on your perspective ruler it will be applied to ALL LAYERS, once SNAP is off you can draw any shape you like.

On Rasterlayer

SNAP is only active on the layer which the (perspective) ruler has been created on.

.. hope it makes it clear... o.o
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Inma R. on March 03, 2010, 04:35:03 PM
Illust Studio Version 1.1.3 is up at the Clip-Studio website.

Among other features, they say to have increased speed to all brushes... I hope that means they won't freeze anymore when working on big files?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on March 04, 2010, 03:25:30 AM
After installing 1.1.3 IS asked me some question in Japanese... i klicked 'NO' =/, while iswResJ wasn't translated yet, any1 has any idea what that was? Since i didn't get any popups after...
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: oswald on March 05, 2010, 05:16:08 PM
buy it, using cracks is illegal

hi...I would like to buy it but how and where? Can I pay with paypal ?
please help!  ???
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Satchi on March 06, 2010, 07:27:51 AM
Has anyone had problems with it crashing when saving?

Also some parts are left untranslated, is that normal or did I do something wrong?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on March 06, 2010, 10:46:52 AM
Yes, when i save huge files like 30megabites with 15/20 textures sometimes it crushes.
And yea some menus cannot be translated, but what is it exactly in your case?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Satchi on March 06, 2010, 06:43:53 PM
The thing is I wasn't using a huge file :( It's the default canvas size 1024x768(72dpi) and has 8 layers. I will try reinstalling, maybe it just installed wrong....

Thanks, I was just making sure. It's the color wheel tab (sa-kuru) and the Toolsets are not translated.


Edit: I found out that it crashes if I create a clipping folder and try to save.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: tkawaii on April 14, 2010, 09:24:09 AM
@Greg

whats the link to Ray Miranda brushes?
(hi new here)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: dolia on April 17, 2010, 03:17:42 AM
Hello, I've been kinda lurking in this thread for a while to find a solution for my little problem, so far, I haven't found any and I was wondering if I could get a little help here? I'm trying to install the program but I keep running into this little problem.

So far, when I use winrar to uninstall I get this error: http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af307/dust-bite/inerr1.jpg

I've tried downloading and extracting multiple times, same error. Then when I go to run the actual program for installation I get stuck here: http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af307/dust-bite/inerr2.jpg
Pressing ok just makes it go ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??

I've tried installing it to different directories, folders and nothing works. Anyone have any helpful advice? I'd really like to try out this program. Thanks!
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: restorer on April 17, 2010, 03:37:21 AM
dolia, set japanese locale in windows
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gabihime on April 21, 2010, 12:33:20 AM
I just got IllustStudio up and running yesterday and am very pleased with it so far.  The only problem I seem to be running into is stability when editing a large file.  I assume this is pretty standard across the board.  I'm thinking seriously about purchasing it, but I wondered if other long term users could tell me what their experience is with its stability.  Does it crash on you often?  Does it only crash with large files?  How large is large?  Mine crashity crashed multiple times when just doing something basic to a file imported from MangaStudio (every other action, basically).

I remember Painter used to be really crash happy a few versions ago, so I wonder if it wouldn't be better to wait until a 2.0 release for increased stability.  Would that be likely or unlikely from this company?  Should I just get used to working smaller if I want to use IllustStudio?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on April 21, 2010, 10:03:36 PM
I just got IllustStudio up and running yesterday and am very pleased with it so far.  The only problem I seem to be running into is stability when editing a large file.  I assume this is pretty standard across the board.  I'm thinking seriously about purchasing it, but I wondered if other long term users could tell me what their experience is with its stability.  Does it crash on you often?  Does it only crash with large files?  How large is large?  Mine crashity crashed multiple times when just doing something basic to a file imported from MangaStudio (every other action, basically).

I remember Painter used to be really crash happy a few versions ago, so I wonder if it wouldn't be better to wait until a 2.0 release for increased stability.  Would that be likely or unlikely from this company?  Should I just get used to working smaller if I want to use IllustStudio?

Been working on 5kx8k pixels files for a while now, no crashes so far at all due to file size, nor in general. Nor do I import or export files to other software, so hard to tell, it could also depend on hardware as software that you're using.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Gabihime on April 22, 2010, 01:23:30 AM
Yeah, that would be about the size I want to work.  Once I finish some more lines I'll try importing them as a different format and see if that helps.  It may be on my end.  Ultimately I do need some more ram on this machine.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Satchi on April 26, 2010, 02:48:40 AM
To avoid crashes, don't translate the exe file.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Limoli on May 25, 2010, 03:52:43 PM
I missed only one opportunity to buy IllustStudio because with 11 May 2010 Celsys had stopped selling download version! Ohh I'm so angry only few days earlier I could buy it now I can't and amazon.co.jp not shipping to my country :/ I don't know if they will resume online selling?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Limoli on May 26, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
I mailed them and here is what I got:
"Now we are sorry for sale of IllustStudio is Windows OS only Japanese version in Japan.
So we don’t support other language OS, we support the Japanese only.
Download version, product package is same.
(...)
We are sorry for overseas release and English version for IllustStudio (for windows) is undecided."
 
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I not care if they support or not other language. I even can use it in Japanese language, there are so many tutorials on celsys page I could learn it by heart.
Does anybody have any idea how can I get Illuststudio now?
Title: Re: ugh
Post by: Renzu on June 08, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
I'm also struck with the wacom mapping bug. [...]

This problem has been occurring for me on and off... I was attempting to deal with it just now, and IllustStudio (1.1.5) popped up a message along the lines of "is your sh-t f---ed? Visit this web site!"


which basically got me to reset my wacom preferences "for all users" and the mapping immediately went back to normal.  It's annoying that this bug exists, but at least there's a workaround.  The problem will still reappear at random (without changing any wacom settings), so I have to do this periodically.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Charlie02 on February 18, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Thanks for that fix! I had the exsact same problem and was tearing my hair out trying to find it. thank you! I know it's not a real fix but at least it works right again.
Title: Re: ugh
Post by: federer on April 30, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
This problem has been occurring for me on and off... I was attempting to deal with it just now, and IllustStudio (1.1.5) popped up a message along the lines of "is your sh-t f---ed? Visit this web site!"

  • http://www.clip-studio.com/site/gd/al/tablet.html

which basically got me to reset my wacom preferences "for all users" and the mapping immediately went back to normal.  It's annoying that this bug exists, but at least there's a workaround.  The problem will still reappear at random (without changing any wacom settings), so I have to do this periodically.

The link which you have provided here, ihave read there carefully and its really helpful and has solved the many issues.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: progressordecay on May 03, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
I've just tested this program for about 10 minutes;
Pretty awesome so far , and would definitely pay for it if it had English support if it were to be made so; hands down! ; curious on the crashes though, havent tested it long enough for it to crash on me yet, will test out more tonight.

Just curious has anyone got this program after the trial?
Does the updated cause crashes to the fan translation?

Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on May 04, 2011, 03:51:49 AM
I got the license for over a year now, am running the latest 1.2.1 version and nothing has ever crushed on me here.
After every single update you have to translate your iswRes.dll over again.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: progressordecay on May 04, 2011, 07:01:40 AM
I got the license for over a year now, am running the latest 1.2.1 version and nothing has ever crushed on me here.
After every single update you have to translate your iswRes.dll over again.


Awesome; I'm currently trying to register .... I've made a clippy account; not sure where to go next; is there a tutorial of some sort I can guide myself through?

I also get this message;
(http://i.imgur.com/xPVTG.jpg)
(ignore the 1's)

Not quite sure what its asking; but when I click the second option, it takes me to the site but it seems like its asking me to register for drawing courses??? - is the licence a once off fee? or does it require renewal.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on May 04, 2011, 08:53:48 PM
There is no tutorial, or at least none I'm  aware of.

Now about that window.
1st is your serial number registration.
Second is a link to Clip, where you can rent a license.

If you purchase a box you get a standard license, no renewal, but as you notice clip has licenses for rent (monthely fee) with a tablet and other privileges, doubt you 'd want that... so ignore the second part of that window.

Guess now you'd like to know, where to get the standard license, right? Well, that's the tricky part, for Celsys doesn't retail any copies outside Asia.
Your options would be, finding a box on  Ebay, Amazone or some reseller or an online Asian reseller for a download version.

Hope this was helpfull in some way :)
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: progressordecay on May 05, 2011, 12:30:08 PM
Guess now you'd like to know, where to get the standard license, right? Well, that's the tricky part, for Celsys doesn't retail any copies outside Asia.
Your options would be, finding a box on  Ebay, Amazone or some reseller or an online Asian reseller for a download version.

Hope this was helpfull in some way :)

Thanks; that clear things up for me; damn, I was hoping it was like SAI with the online licence purchase; guess its hunting time ... thanks for the info.
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Mikan on January 07, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Is 1.2 still the latest version?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 07, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
Is 1.2 still the latest version?

No, 1.2.5
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Mikan on January 10, 2012, 08:15:38 AM
What changed, where to get it?
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: Coda on January 10, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Don't remember been over 3 months now I think.
Check the patchnotes and the download at still same old place it has always been:
CLIP -site
Title: Re: By Celsys: IllustStudio-The Japanese Photoshop, or the closest you'll ever get.
Post by: nickelynn on January 18, 2012, 02:02:02 PM
Hi. I'm having an issue. I've been using Illuststudio for awhile and just this week something happened where it will not load anymore. I have uninstalled, reinstalled, and even updated to a newer version (was working on 1.2) and still nothing is working. When I click to open the program the load image will pop up and a second window will open with the program but the program behind the load image will be black with only the 'File,edit,etc' bar showing. Then it will stop responding and I have to stop it.

Help please... I love this program so much. x_x