Paint Tool SAI in English

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ren on June 29, 2008, 06:05:00 PM

Title: Free program to draw Manga (Atelier)
Post by: Ren on June 29, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
Didn't try it yet, but I thought someone might be interested: http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA029904/atelier.htm
I wonder if there's an English patch floating around...
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: Herb_Montes on June 29, 2008, 11:18:33 PM
I'm always wanting to try out new graphics programs, especially free ones.  I downloaded and installed this one.  It seems to be a black and white comic drawing program like Manga Studio or Comic Works.  It's easy to use once I figured out some of the features.  But being in Japanese somethings I can't figure to like how to turn on the pen tool.  There is a pencil sketch tool that you can adjust the thickness, density and smoothing with.  Though in the finished page view these lines don't show up.  Just the panel lines which can be skewed to unsual panel shapes.  It has a nice ruler feature for drawing straight lines, a compass for circles, and a pushpin for drawing radiating lines.  It also has a text tool though it won't recognize the fonts in my system.  It saves to DIB files it seems.  Once I figure out how to turn on the pen tool it looks like it would be great for inking comics.  My guess is it needs a vector layer for inking and another for tones.

Update - Figured out how to turn on the pen tool.  Create a panel box which has an associated label appear on the right.  Double click on that label and the pen tool becomes active.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on July 01, 2008, 10:18:42 PM
Hi  :)
I think it is very interesting program. Finally (today) I was able to decompile it.

What that mean? That mean, that we can translate this programm! ;D

For me compiling, decompiling, coding and etc. is interesting, but translate process is boring, so I search for anybody, who can (and want) to translate this prog from japanese to english.

If you think that translating process is interesting, please send me mail ( restorer.fct@gmail.com ) or PM on this forum.

Tomorrow I will try to make some test translation, and ensure that translated program work without errors.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: Ren on July 01, 2008, 10:26:42 PM
Wow!I'll admit, I was secretly hoping for that, thanks so much Restorer!
I don't know Japanese myself, but I noticed lately on 4chan there are quite of number of people willing to translate stuff, maybe we should try there?
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: Herb_Montes on July 02, 2008, 12:29:49 AM
There are a few Japanese users of SAI over at deviantART.  They were some of the early ones who translated the Beta of SAI.  There is also the guy at Animation Forum who went to the trouble of decompling the Frame Toon program to create English menus.  Though I think he mostly used the online translation tools.  Frame Toon is an animation program put out by the same folks who made OpenCanvas.

This program is pretty good for doing black and white manga.  It can even output pages as PNG files which can be brought into SAI for coloring.  Still can't get it to specify a font for lettering.  It seems to be stuck in Arial and the lettering doesn't show up in the final page view.  Maybe it only works with Japanese specific fonts.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on July 04, 2008, 02:54:33 PM
First attempt (google translate only, no manual translating):

(http://detstwo.com/pub/atelier.png)
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: Neko-Nii on July 04, 2008, 04:05:50 PM
XD seems like a nice program! Does it have a 31 day trial like Sai or its free?
P.s - ill be waiting for the translation  ;D !
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: Ren on July 04, 2008, 04:43:53 PM
It's free :3
Thanks for the hard work you always do, restorer!
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on July 17, 2008, 12:21:06 AM
restorer> i would like to download this google translation version. Do you have it uploaded somewhere? If you do,i can help out with webhits drawings...or even make a short strip
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on July 18, 2008, 05:00:00 PM
restorer> i would like to download this google translation version. Do you have it uploaded somewhere? If you do,i can help out with webhits drawings...or even make a short strip

Here it is: http://sai.detstwo.com/sai/files/atelier-tr-very-alpha.zip
I just removed toon folder from archive (40MB  :o), so you can copy this folder from original prog.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on July 19, 2008, 02:17:38 AM
Here it is: http://sai.detstwo.com/sai/files/atelier-tr-very-alpha.zip
I just removed toon folder from archive (40MB  :o), so you can copy this folder from original prog.
thank you! The translation is pretty clean,but its kind of ackward that the user must click on a *.bat file to start it..Its fully useable.  :)

You know what other awesome application i would love to see translated?

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA029904/otoshimizuex/index.htm
this watercolor drawing app =)

stuff made by it:
http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA029904/otoshimizuex/index.htm

download link:
http://www.vector.co.jp/download/file/win95/art/fh372978.html
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on July 19, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
however,i encountered problems with it.

i get all grey color in ink
pressure sensitivity does not work and it makes a line before drawing- i am with a graphire 4 tablet
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: Herb_Montes on July 19, 2008, 07:41:13 PM
thank you! The translation is pretty clean,but its kind of ackward that the user must click on a *.bat file to start it..Its fully useable.  :)

I remember the DOS days when a lot of apps had to be started with a BAT file and from a DOS prompt.

The program works pretty well for me.  Although from what I hear version 4 of Manga Studio will be announced at the San Diego Con this month.  But this makes a nice free alternative for making simple black and white comics.  The tones are pretty good.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on July 19, 2008, 08:43:43 PM
I remember the DOS days when a lot of apps had to be started with a BAT file and from a DOS prompt.

The program works pretty well for me.  Although from what I hear version 4 of Manga Studio will be announced at the San Diego Con this month.  But this makes a nice free alternative for making simple black and white comics.  The tones are pretty good.
this application is sweet,brcause it is waaaay smalled than manga studio,and simpler too.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: figue on July 24, 2008, 10:01:04 PM
Neko Paint is pretty awesome too, it has some menus in english:

http://www2.tbb.t-com.ne.jp/neko_paint/

If there was an english version I would buy it without hesitation.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on July 24, 2008, 11:47:18 PM
I'd like NekoPaint too, but for me it not work in native english windows. Only with AppLocale or with japanese locale :(
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on July 25, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
I'd like NekoPaint too, but for me it not work in native english windows. Only with AppLocale or with japanese locale :(

i heard somewhere that sai evolved from nekopaint
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: minray on July 25, 2008, 02:13:35 PM
Neko Paint is pretty awesome too, it has some menus in english:

http://www2.tbb.t-com.ne.jp/neko_paint/

If there was an english version I would buy it without hesitation.
I couldn't install neko paint for some reason & since it's in japanese i couldn't understand what was the problem.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on July 25, 2008, 03:52:08 PM
i heard somewhere that sai evolved from nekopaint

Definitely not. It is absolutely different programs (neko paint is written in Delphi, SAI is written in C++)
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on July 25, 2008, 03:53:03 PM
I couldn't install neko paint for some reason & since it's in japanese i couldn't understand what was the problem.
Use AppLocale on it.
With AppLocale I can successfully run NekoPaint.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: figue on July 25, 2008, 10:02:54 PM
Neko Paint works fine on my XP PC no need to change anything, here's a screenshot:
(http://www.vulomedia.com/images/80086neko.jpg)


Also Neko Paint has a much more robust brush engine with a ton of options, I really like some of the brush effects you can do by messing with the settings, it's much more responsive than SAI but it's not a replacement to SAI or anything, some of the tools in Neko are really unique that's all, naturally the interface of SAI is a tons better.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on July 27, 2008, 12:21:54 AM
well,it has simular tools to sai's
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: O on September 29, 2008, 02:07:48 PM
Wow, it's been a long time.
My pursuit of an ideal, robust and light painting software is still in progress.
Well, I have a Sai licence, but there are some issues that continue to bug me.
Anyway, I'm still not able to draw as freely as by oldschool paper&pens methods.

So if I might be of any help translating some piece of software from Japanese to English/Russian/(my French is somewhat terrible) - I'd be glad to help.
Especially, if the software is free.
There probably are tons of hidden jewels in the land of rising sun - someone might as well find them.
Since I suck at coding/disassembling and resource editing -- I ask if there's someone ready to do it and has some unique jpn software in mind.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on October 01, 2008, 09:07:55 PM
2O:
I think we should translate Atelier (check first page of this thread for more info).
Right now I'm writing hsp decompiler (hsp - popular japanese scripting language), so when decompiler will be finished, we can continue translating.

Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: O on October 07, 2008, 10:04:24 AM
Nice!
We'll wait.
Since Sai's author is probably drinking his Vodka+Soda mix on Hawaii's most expesive resort, having blackjack & hoockers 24/7, it'll be ages untill his cash runs out and he returns to working on Sai again, we have to move on and see some other software.
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on November 11, 2008, 08:12:31 PM
atelier is buggy as hell.Crashed a couple of times...  :'(
you know any other small comic maker apps?
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on November 11, 2008, 08:41:30 PM
alright,its not as buggy,but i have two questions:

1.is it possible to choose a canvas size that is bigger than 999x999? Seriously,i need more space to draw,thats really low res! Is it possible to hack atelier somehow?

2.how does one use the pen tool (G)... with me its always unclickable.How do we make it clickable??
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: figue on November 11, 2008, 11:39:23 PM
A few more programs.

Dogwaffle
http://www.thebest3d.com/dogwaffle/free/index.html

Artrage
http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

TwistedBrush Free Edition
http://www.pixarra.com

Artweaver
http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?downloads_en

Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on November 12, 2008, 03:17:45 AM
1.is it possible to choose a canvas size that is bigger than 999x999? Seriously,i need more space to draw,thats really low res!
do not know. probably no.

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Is it possible to hack atelier somehow?
possible, but now right now... In future...

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2.how does one use the pen tool (G)... with me its always unclickable.How do we make it clickable??
create new slice, activate slice (double click), than draw. related post -> http://sai.detstwo.com/smf/index.php/topic,111.msg780.html#msg780 (see last paragraph)
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on November 12, 2008, 07:04:32 PM
alright,i got it with the pen tool.There is only one thing i would like to ask... How does one use textures in that application.How come they take 40 mb and the user doesnt get to actually use them? I tried anything,it just doesnt give me the optionto use screentones. :(
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: restorer on November 12, 2008, 08:28:35 PM
alright,i got it with the pen tool.There is only one thing i would like to ask... How does one use textures in that application.How come they take 40 mb and the user doesnt get to actually use them? I tried anything,it just doesnt give me the optionto use screentones. :(

create new frame
enter into this frame (dbl click)
on layers panel right click on layer
in my lame translation :) you will see 5 items - 1) Create lyr 2) Screen Tone 3) Sett 4) Del 5) Cancel
click on "Sett"
under "Setting tone" select "Pattern" in dropdown
select picture to use
click on "Crtd" (it must be "OK" :) )
now try to draw with different colors
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga
Post by: blurymind on November 13, 2008, 02:31:32 PM
thanks...now i think of writing a tutorial on atelier at deviantart and link to this thread....but of course,i would wait for you to officially release it,so i give a proper download link.. ;)

i really like this application.Its small and very useful,it should be more popular
Title: Re: Free program to draw Manga (Atelier)
Post by: BlackLucke on May 28, 2012, 04:57:58 AM
create new frame
enter into this frame (dbl click)
on layers panel right click on layer
in my lame translation :) you will see 5 items - 1) Create lyr 2) Screen Tone 3) Sett 4) Del 5) Cancel
click on "Sett"
under "Setting tone" select "Pattern" in dropdown
select picture to use
click on "Crtd" (it must be "OK" :) )
now try to draw with different colors


I'm sorry, but where do you fine the layers panel. I'm a little lost.    o-o